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Spiderman Horsham 20 Jun 17 9.08pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 s'alright, you don't fret either. Most are refused leave to stay. Not correct and the vast majority of those that are do not get removed thanks to lawyers and the Human Rights Act
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Spiderman

Horsham 20 Jun 17 9.08pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

s'alright, you don't fret either. Most are refused leave to stay.

Not correct and the vast majority of those that are do not get removed thanks to lawyers and the Human Rights Act

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Hrolf The Ganger 20 Jun 17 9.11pm
Originally posted by Spiderman Are you sure you are correct there? One thing is virtually certain. The numbers escaping various problems in the future will be vastly more. We cannot allow our society to be destroyed as a result.
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20 Jun 17 9.11pm

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Originally posted by Spiderman

Are you sure you are correct there?

One thing is virtually certain. The numbers escaping various problems in the future will be vastly more.

We cannot allow our society to be destroyed as a result.

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europalace Europe 21 Jun 17 6.11am
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger One thing is virtually certain. The numbers escaping various problems in the future will be vastly more. We cannot allow our society to be destroyed as a result. These people come to the UK because their 2nd language is more likely to be English, they have relatives already there and/or the benefits system is far easier to enter than that of France or many other European countries. There are two border checks in Calais, one by the French immigration authorities and the other by their British equivalents. The UK leaving the EU will make zero difference to this, in fact it will encourage more to attempt to cross as after the UK leaves there will only be French immigration in Calais. The UK immigration checks will be moved to and only be made on entering the UK in Folkestone. Once in Folkestone, these people will remain in the UK as inevitably they won't carry any papers with them and so can't be 'returned' to their originating country as that will not be known.
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europalace

Europe 21 Jun 17 6.11am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

One thing is virtually certain. The numbers escaping various problems in the future will be vastly more.

We cannot allow our society to be destroyed as a result.

These people come to the UK because their 2nd language is more likely to be English, they have relatives already there and/or the benefits system is far easier to enter than that of France or many other European countries. There are two border checks in Calais, one by the French immigration authorities and the other by their British equivalents. The UK leaving the EU will make zero difference to this, in fact it will encourage more to attempt to cross as after the UK leaves there will only be French immigration in Calais. The UK immigration checks will be moved to and only be made on entering the UK in Folkestone. Once in Folkestone, these people will remain in the UK as inevitably they won't carry any papers with them and so can't be 'returned' to their originating country as that will not be known.

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hedgehog50 Croydon 21 Jun 17 8.00am
Originally posted by europalace These people come to the UK because their 2nd language is more likely to be English, they have relatives already there and/or the benefits system is far easier to enter than that of France or many other European countries. There are two border checks in Calais, one by the French immigration authorities and the other by their British equivalents. The UK leaving the EU will make zero difference to this, in fact it will encourage more to attempt to cross as after the UK leaves there will only be French immigration in Calais. The UK immigration checks will be moved to and only be made on entering the UK in Folkestone. Once in Folkestone, these people will remain in the UK as inevitably they won't carry any papers with them and so can't be 'returned' to their originating country as that will not be known. You've changed your tune. Normally you are telling us what a Utopia the other EU countries are, so superior to backward looking Britain, but now we are apparently very attractive to people - you can't have your croissant and eat it. We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]
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hedgehog50

Croydon 21 Jun 17 8.00am

Originally posted by europalace

You've changed your tune. Normally you are telling us what a Utopia the other EU countries are, so superior to backward looking Britain, but now we are apparently very attractive to people - you can't have your croissant and eat it.

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

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Brentmiester_General Front line in the battle against t... 21 Jun 17 8.09am
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger I'm sure Jeremy Corbyn will be dashing over with Diane Abbott on their bike to make sure none of them got splinter moving those logs. I wonder if Diane will tweet this as an 'incident' or a 'terror attack'. Change the record. "We love you Palace, we f@cking hate Man U, We love you Palace, we hate the brighton too, We love you Palace we play in red 'n' blue, so f@ck you, and you ...
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Front line in the battle against t... 21 Jun 17 8.09am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I'm sure Jeremy Corbyn will be dashing over with Diane Abbott on their bike to make sure none of them got splinter moving those logs.
I wonder if Diane will tweet this as an 'incident' or a 'terror attack'.

Change the record.

"We love you Palace, we f@cking hate Man U, We love you Palace, we hate the brighton too, We love you Palace we play in red 'n' blue, so f@ck you, and you ...

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europalace Europe 21 Jun 17 8.22am
Originally posted by hedgehog50 You've changed your tune. Normally you are telling us what a Utopia the other EU countries are, so superior to backward looking Britain, but now we are apparently very attractive to people - you can't have your croissant and eat it. Er, no, That's how you would like to portray people with a different opinion to yourself. As for other EU countries, at least they have better and stricter social systems as proven by these people who are desperate to get to the UK. They would stay in France if they could or any other EU country but their systems don't allow that for the majority. In doing that, many European countries have health systems and infrastructure that the UK can only dream about. Go and speak to the hundreds of thousands of Brits in Spain and France and ask them about the health systems over there. I'm sure they will not want to return to the UK and have to use the NHS. Germany has a huge surplus of hospital beds and yet they make a huge trade surplus every year, can't be bad can it? Show me where I have called the EU a 'Utopia' or are you falsifying what people have commented yet again to try and support your very flimsy opinions? Edited by europalace (21 Jun 2017 8.24am)
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europalace

Europe 21 Jun 17 8.22am

Originally posted by hedgehog50

Er, no, That's how you would like to portray people with a different opinion to yourself. As for other EU countries, at least they have better and stricter social systems as proven by these people who are desperate to get to the UK. They would stay in France if they could or any other EU country but their systems don't allow that for the majority. In doing that, many European countries have health systems and infrastructure that the UK can only dream about. Go and speak to the hundreds of thousands of Brits in Spain and France and ask them about the health systems over there. I'm sure they will not want to return to the UK and have to use the NHS. Germany has a huge surplus of hospital beds and yet they make a huge trade surplus every year, can't be bad can it?

Show me where I have called the EU a 'Utopia' or are you falsifying what people have commented yet again to try and support your very flimsy opinions?

Edited by europalace (21 Jun 2017 8.24am)

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hedgehog50 Croydon 21 Jun 17 9.28am
Originally posted by europalace Er, no, That's how you would like to portray people with a different opinion to yourself. As for other EU countries, at least they have better and stricter social systems as proven by these people who are desperate to get to the UK. They would stay in France if they could or any other EU country but their systems don't allow that for the majority. In doing that, many European countries have health systems and infrastructure that the UK can only dream about. Go and speak to the hundreds of thousands of Brits in Spain and France and ask them about the health systems over there. I'm sure they will not want to return to the UK and have to use the NHS. Germany has a huge surplus of hospital beds and yet they make a huge trade surplus every year, can't be bad can it? Show me where I have called the EU a 'Utopia' or are you falsifying what people have commented yet again to try and support your very flimsy opinions? Edited by europalace (21 Jun 2017 8.24am) What is stopping them staying in the Utopian countries? Your posts are a constant diatribe against Britain and a recommendation of all other EU countries. Edited by hedgehog50 (21 Jun 2017 9.30am) We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]
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hedgehog50

Croydon 21 Jun 17 9.28am

Originally posted by europalace

Show me where I have called the EU a 'Utopia' or are you falsifying what people have commented yet again to try and support your very flimsy opinions?

Edited by europalace (21 Jun 2017 8.24am)

What is stopping them staying in the Utopian countries?
Your posts are a constant diatribe against Britain and a recommendation of all other EU countries.

Edited by hedgehog50 (21 Jun 2017 9.30am)

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

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Tom-the-eagle Croydon 21 Jun 17 9.48am
Originally posted by Kermit8 Don't fret. Your access to viagara is not under threat. The vast majority of those applying for asylum in the UK are fleeing conflict and persecution but less than 2% of refugees have made it to the UK as they mostly go to other countries in Asia and Africa If they were genuinely fleeing from persecution then why not then just claim asylum where they are - in France. After all, they are now safe from what they were meant to be fleeing from. With respect Kermit - your thinking shows massive naivety. "It feels much better than it ever did, much more sensitive." John Wayne Bobbit
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Tom-the-eagle

Croydon 21 Jun 17 9.48am

Originally posted by Kermit8

Don't fret. Your access to viagara is not under threat. The vast majority of those applying for asylum in the UK are fleeing conflict and
persecution but less than 2% of refugees have made it to the UK as they mostly go to other countries in Asia and Africa

If they were genuinely fleeing from persecution then why not then just claim asylum where they are - in France. After all, they are now safe from what they were meant to be fleeing from.
With respect Kermit - your thinking shows massive naivety.

"It feels much better than it ever did, much more sensitive." John Wayne Bobbit

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topcat Holmesdale / Surbiton 21 Jun 17 10.00am
Someone had died and the far right on the HoL are using it for political point scoring. Isn't this exactly what they were accusing nickgusset of on other threads? It's 106 miles to Chicago, we got a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, it's dark... and we're wearing sunglasses.
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topcat

Holmesdale / Surbiton 21 Jun 17 10.00am

Someone had died and the far right on the HoL are using it for political point scoring. Isn't this exactly what they were accusing nickgusset of on other threads?

It's 106 miles to Chicago, we got a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, it's dark... and we're wearing sunglasses.

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 21 Jun 17 10.01am
The EU and its freedom of movement and single currency has been great to europalace. Unfortunately for people banging their nut against a brick wall a few times a day, he doesn't appreciate that it may not work for plenty of others. Small businesses, low paid workers, tradesmen or certain trades, untrained young people vs experienced low cost foreign labour, and plenty more if we do t break the cycle of cheap imported labour at some point. Just let him have his rants. COYP
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Rudi Hedman

Caterham 21 Jun 17 10.01am

The EU and its freedom of movement and single currency has been great to europalace. Unfortunately for people banging their nut against a brick wall a few times a day, he doesn't appreciate that it may not work for plenty of others.

Small businesses, low paid workers, tradesmen or certain trades, untrained young people vs experienced low cost foreign labour, and plenty more if we do t break the cycle of cheap imported labour at some point.

Just let him have his rants.

COYP

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Hrolf The Ganger 21 Jun 17 10.10am
Originally posted by europalace These people come to the UK because their 2nd language is more likely to be English, they have relatives already there and/or the benefits system is far easier to enter than that of France or many other European countries. There are two border checks in Calais, one by the French immigration authorities and the other by their British equivalents. The UK leaving the EU will make zero difference to this, in fact it will encourage more to attempt to cross as after the UK leaves there will only be French immigration in Calais. The UK immigration checks will be moved to and only be made on entering the UK in Folkestone. Once in Folkestone, these people will remain in the UK as inevitably they won't carry any papers with them and so can't be 'returned' to their originating country as that will not be known. They have just killed someone. I am not interested in their language preferences. I want people to be safe in Europe. There needs to be much tougher action to deal with the situation. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (21 Jun 2017 10.14am)
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Hrolf The Ganger

21 Jun 17 10.10am

Originally posted by europalace

They have just killed someone. I am not interested in their language preferences. I want people to be safe in Europe. There needs to be much tougher action to deal with the situation.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (21 Jun 2017 10.14am)

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Hrolf The Ganger 21 Jun 17 10.14am
Originally posted by topcat Someone had died and the far right on the HoL are using it for political point scoring. Isn't this exactly what they were accusing nickgusset of on other threads? So we can't highlight the insane situation regarding migrants? We should brush it under the carpet?
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Hrolf The Ganger

21 Jun 17 10.14am

Originally posted by topcat

Someone had died and the far right on the HoL are using it for political point scoring. Isn't this exactly what they were accusing nickgusset of on other threads?

So we can't highlight the insane situation regarding migrants? We should brush it under the carpet?

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