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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 28 Aug 17 2.50pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

It is very easy for plausible stories to emerge about such meetings between the Board and managers to discuss futures.My goodness a similar story has emerged about W.Ham and they have a de-brief every Monday after a game anyway!

So do you think that Steve Parish having appointed De Boer would say to him after a mere 3 games when transfer activity has been limited, "Sorry, it's not working you have to go" ? I would be staggered.

It is more likely that FDB will be given time to revive our fortunes but if it is patently not working out, Parish appoints Freedman as an "Interim" and if he has a decent spell will appoint him full-time.

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View Mstrobez's Profile Mstrobez Flag 28 Aug 17 2.51pm Send a Private Message to Mstrobez Add Mstrobez as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

It's because you're either blind or haven't any idea what's going on in the match, mate.

We struggle to break teams down at home so you're saying we're playing 3 at the back because Frank wants us to become more defensive. Have a recap on your understanding of football and come back when you have.

The players don't suit 3 at the back and we don't have the money to acquire them. That brings Frank under heavy scrutiny.

Again, your missing my point. I'm not defending his system. Im not saying his tactics shouldn't be under heavy scrutiny. I'm questioning people who believe the decision to 3 at the back was his idea of a more attacking move despite the fact he's always played with 4 at teams who can actually afford to be free flowing.

If you actually bothered to read my replies, you'd see the bit where I said "I'm not a fan of 3 at the back" and I never have been. So I really don't see what your getting at in response to my initial point.

Edited by Mstrobez (28 Aug 2017 2.53pm)

 


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chateauferret Flag 28 Aug 17 2.52pm

Originally posted by Slimey Toad

He thinks he can be arrogant like Wenger. Difference is Arsene manages a top six club, regularly gets into Europe and makes the owners a profit.

And has been there twenty years, not five minutes.

 


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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 28 Aug 17 3.02pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by Mstrobez

Again, your missing my point. I'm not defending his system. Im not saying his tactics shouldn't be under heavy scrutiny. I'm questioning people who believe the decision to 3 at the back was his idea of a more attacking move despite the fact he's always played with 4 at teams who can actually afford to be free flowing.

If you actually bothered to read my replies, you'd see the bit where I said "I'm not a fan of 3 at the back" and I never have been. So I really don't see what your getting at in response to my initial point.

Edited by Mstrobez (28 Aug 2017 2.53pm)

Right well if your posts are questioning why is he playing 3 at the back then it should be asked why is he playing 3 at the back he doesn't have the players for. With regards to having 5 players defending, that only happens when defence and midfield are behind the ball anyway. Therefore if you had 4 in defence you're likely to have 9 outfielders behind the ball. With 3-4-3, only 7. With 3-5-2, 8 or possibly 9.

Where this fails is teams don't wait for us to get them behind the ball and target ward or PVA or just knock the ball behind them because they're advanced.

To add, have you noticed how we have Benteke and punch standing on the halfway line when we defend corners? 2 oppo mark them and then there's their free man in 30 yard free radius in the hole. So there's no Benteke defending the corner and that risky set-up. Yep, really defensive. The league need to get with Frank's football education and quick or they'll all be left behind.

 


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View Mstrobez's Profile Mstrobez Flag 28 Aug 17 3.09pm Send a Private Message to Mstrobez Add Mstrobez as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Right well if your posts are questioning why is he playing 3 at the back then it should be asked why is he playing 3 at the back he doesn't have the players for. With regards to having 5 players defending, that only happens when defence and midfield are behind the ball anyway. Therefore if you had 4 in defence you're likely to have 9 outfielders behind the ball. With 3-4-3, only 7. With 3-5-2, 8 or possibly 9.

Where this fails is teams don't wait for us to get them behind the ball and target ward or PVA or just knock the ball behind them because they're advanced.

To add, have you noticed how we have Benteke and punch standing on the halfway line when we defend corners? 2 oppo mark them and then there's their free man in 30 yard free radius in the hole. So there's no Benteke defending the corner and that risky set-up. Yep, really defensive. The league need to get with Frank's football education and quick or they'll all be left behind.

I don't disagree with that at all. But doesn't that make you question what on earth Parish and him discussed prior to the appointment?

I personally believe Frank would've been so confident (rightly or wrongly) in his own abilities that he would've probably been the least inclined to demand a radical turnover of players at Palace. I suspect the real reason for Sam leaving was the fact that he made it clear after the 5-0 loss to City and the dire performance against United kids towards the end of the season that we'd still be in a lot of trouble this year without investment. Pellegrino and maybe even Silva probably said this as well and I think the fact Frank was probably the most laid back about it in his interview was the reason Parish wanted him.

It's always surprised me how relaxed Frank has seemed in interviews at the lack of transfer activity and the seeming confidence he's had in a squad which is quite clearly not of Premier League standard beyond the first 11.

Edited by Mstrobez (28 Aug 2017 3.09pm)

 


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Originally posted by Mstrobez

I don't disagree with that at all. But doesn't that make you question what on earth Parish and him discussed prior to the appointment?

I personally believe Frank would've been so confident (rightly or wrongly) in his own abilities that he would've probably been the least inclined to demand a radical turnover of players at Palace. I suspect the real reason for Sam leaving was the fact that he made it clear after the 5-0 loss to City and the dire performance against United kids towards the end of the season that we'd still be in a lot of trouble this year without investment. Pellegrino and maybe even Silva probably said this as well and I think the fact Frank was probably the most laid back about it in his interview was the reason Parish wanted him.

It's always surprised me how relaxed Frank has seemed in interviews at the lack of transfer activity and the seeming confidence he's had in a squad which is quite clearly not of Premier League standard beyond the first 11.

Edited by Mstrobez (28 Aug 2017 3.09pm)

Take out Sahko, and this first eleven managed 0.85 points a game under Sam. We are not even that good.

 


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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 28 Aug 17 3.17pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

If you look on the BBS you'll see line ups like this:

Mensah. Dann. Tomkins. PVA

Milivojevic

Zaha. Cabaye. Cheek. Townsend

Benteke

2 quality additions (by Frank and his big name), a new CB to come in, possibly a new keeper, cheap back up striker like Shane Long and players played in position. The bench wouldn't be that bad either, and with Wickham and Souare back at X as then even better.

This can be tweaked to 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3, 4-5-1, and once you have your full strength team available, do what West Ham did, work on 3 at the back in training and their only knowledge of it being 1,hour before kick off, not 2 months before with plenty of pre season pedestrian footage to pick apart.

It has been done very amateurishly, putting the club at risk.

 


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View Mstrobez's Profile Mstrobez Flag 28 Aug 17 3.21pm Send a Private Message to Mstrobez Add Mstrobez as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

If you look on the BBS you'll see line ups like this:

Mensah. Dann. Tomkins. PVA

Milivojevic

Zaha. Cabaye. Cheek. Townsend

Benteke

2 quality additions (by Frank and his big name), a new CB to come in, possibly a new keeper, cheap back up striker like Shane Long and players played in position. The bench wouldn't be that bad either, and with Wickham and Souare back at X as then even better.

This can be tweaked to 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3, 4-5-1, and once you have your full strength team available, do what West Ham did, work on 3 at the back in training and their only knowledge of it being 1,hour before kick off, not 2 months before with plenty of pre season pedestrian footage to pick apart.

It has been done very amateurishly, putting the club at risk.

I was gonna say Sam did play us with a back 3 (unsuccessfully) a couple of times. Chelsea away was one example of where it worked out though because effectively, a bit like Liverpool away this season, we was playing with a back 5.

 


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Originally posted by Mstrobez

I don't disagree with that at all. But doesn't that make you question what on earth Parish and him discussed prior to the appointment?

I personally believe Frank would've been so confident (rightly or wrongly) in his own abilities that he would've probably been the least inclined to demand a radical turnover of players at Palace. I suspect the real reason for Sam leaving was the fact that he made it clear after the 5-0 loss to City and the dire performance against United kids towards the end of the season that we'd still be in a lot of trouble this year without investment. Pellegrino and maybe even Silva probably said this as well and I think the fact Frank was probably the most laid back about it in his interview was the reason Parish wanted him.

It's always surprised me how relaxed Frank has seemed in interviews at the lack of transfer activity and the seeming confidence he's had in a squad which is quite clearly not of Premier League standard beyond the first 11.

Edited by Mstrobez (28 Aug 2017 3.09pm)

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I would normally be very supportive of a new manager, especially one of Frank's track record, and giving him more time to turn things around. But this time its so obviously a bad fit, and frank's stubborness ( OK commitment to his passing style of play) just means we are going to leak more points. So sadly its time to part company with him as soon as the transfer window closes

 

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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

If you look on the BBS you'll see line ups like this:

Mensah. Dann. Tomkins. PVA

Milivojevic

Zaha. Cabaye. Cheek. Townsend

Benteke

2 quality additions (by Frank and his big name), a new CB to come in, possibly a new keeper, cheap back up striker like Shane Long and players played in position. The bench wouldn't be that bad either, and with Wickham and Souare back at X as then even better.

This can be tweaked to 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3, 4-5-1, and once you have your full strength team available, do what West Ham did, work on 3 at the back in training and their only knowledge of it being 1,hour before kick off, not 2 months before with plenty of pre season pedestrian footage to pick apart.

It has been done very amateurishly, putting the club at risk.

That sound a good team. Shows that with a couple of additions on the bench/injury back-ups we have the resources to be better than fight relegation.

Parish needs to tell FdB that Palace is not his pet project and has to put the club's interest first. So SP has either implied to FdB that he can do what he likes or FdB has assumed he can.

 

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View Jacey's Profile Jacey Flag 28 Aug 17 3.32pm Send a Private Message to Jacey Add Jacey as a friend

Originally posted by Petereagle

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I would normally be very supportive of a new manager, especially one of Frank's track record, and giving him more time to turn things around. But this time its so obviously a bad fit, and frank's stubborness ( OK commitment to his passing style of play) just means we are going to leak more points. So sadly its time to part company with him as soon as the transfer window closes


A bad fit, accused of stubbornness after just 3 games??
Surely,he must be given 10 ,a fair crack of the whip to turn results around or we really will become the laughing stock and just who in their right mind would accept the manager's role with our track record??
Parish had over 6 weeks to consider and evaluate candidates for the job and must now surely back his judgment,giving Frank realistic funds to bring in some much needed new faces including, hopefully, Sakho.

 

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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 28 Aug 17 3.39pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by Slimey Toad

That sound a good team. Shows that with a couple of additions on the bench/injury back-ups we have the resources to be better than fight relegation.

Parish needs to tell FdB that Palace is not his pet project and has to put the club's interest first. So SP has either implied to FdB that he can do what he likes or FdB has assumed he can.

He can of course build his project over a few Windows which is what fair minded people say it takes anyway, not a few months and 6+ players needed immediately with £30 mil net. It's bonkers.

 


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