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View peterg's Profile peterg Flag Anerley 04 Sep 17 8.58am Send a Private Message to peterg Add peterg as a friend

This time it's Jacob Steinberg, who doesn't know Palace as well as Dom Fyfield. But does he know something we don't? Who is doing the expecting in the sentence below?

With the De Boer project looking doomed, Freedman is expected to step in on a temporary basis before making way for Roy Hodgson. Another emergency will force Palace back to square one, but it could have been avoided with greater foresight.

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View Midlands Eagle's Profile Midlands Eagle Flag 04 Sep 17 9.12am Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Oh dear. Another thread on the same subject that will give the same people yet another opportunity to post exactly the same as in all the other similar threads.

One interesting point in the article and the only thing that hadn't been rehashed from other articles was :-

"While Bilic is fortunate to have his job, West Ham’s main problem is David Sullivan’s idea of a director of football seems to be David Sullivan"

Hmmmmm. Sound familiar?

 

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View alaneagle1's Profile alaneagle1 Flag Dunstable,Bedfordshire.England 04 Sep 17 9.16am Send a Private Message to alaneagle1 Add alaneagle1 as a friend

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Oh dear. Another thread on the same subject that will give the same people yet another opportunity to post exactly the same as in all the other similar threads.

One interesting point in the article and the only thing that hadn't been rehashed from other articles was :-

"While Bilic is fortunate to have his job, West Ham’s main problem is David Sullivan’s idea of a director of football seems to be David Sullivan"

Hmmmmm. Sound familiar?

Did Willo or anyone find out what Terms Of Reference were given to Dougie ?

What is the DOF meant to do. ?

 


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View chris123's Profile chris123 Flag hove actually 04 Sep 17 9.20am Send a Private Message to chris123 Add chris123 as a friend

Originally posted by alaneagle1

Did Willo or anyone find out what Terms Of Reference were given to Dougie ?

What is the DOF meant to do. ?

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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 04 Sep 17 9.22am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by alaneagle1

Did Willo or anyone find out what Terms Of Reference were given to Dougie ?

What is the DOF meant to do. ?

Freedman is 'Sporting Director' rather than 'Director of football' but in essence the roles can be similar dependant on the 'Terms of Reference' at respective clubs.Accordingly what a SD does at one club can be similar to what a DOF does at another.

I don't know the specifics in terms of Freedman but I have added a link which might offer an explanation as to the role in general :

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View bexleydave's Profile bexleydave Flag Barnehurst 04 Sep 17 9.27am Send a Private Message to bexleydave Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add bexleydave as a friend

Originally posted by peterg

This time it's Jacob Steinberg, who doesn't know Palace as well as Dom Fyfield. But does he know something we don't? Who is doing the expecting in the sentence below?

With the De Boer project looking doomed, Freedman is expected to step in on a temporary basis before making way for Roy Hodgson. Another emergency will force Palace back to square one, but it could have been avoided with greater foresight.

Link to full piece here:
[Link]


I do agree with the writer that maximum possession/multiple passing football does produce some sleep-inducing entertainment. I've never really understood why it would be something that any spectator would want. It's quite depressing to know that even the Ajax crowd got bored with it. I'm still hoping that FdB will wake up, smell the coffee and see what he needs to do to keep his job. But I'm equally worried that he's incapable of change.

 


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View kev64's Profile kev64 Flag Cambs 04 Sep 17 9.45am Send a Private Message to kev64 Add kev64 as a friend

I think the guy on the bench in the tracksuit top looking at FDB sums it all up.

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View NEILLO's Profile NEILLO Flag Shoreham-by-Sea 04 Sep 17 9.46am Send a Private Message to NEILLO Add NEILLO as a friend

I think Steinberg has summed the situation up pretty well.

The ' interview process ' with FDB would most surely have covered his footballing philosophies....and how he intended to implement them at Palace.

In which case Steve Parish would have evaluated whether this was the right direction for the club to be taking and indeed if it was feasible. The fact that FDB was hired suggests that SP had bought into what he was bringing to the table.

Just three games in and collective nerves appear to have gone. Ironic when you consider how long we persisted with Alan Pardew's losing football.

So now it seems that FDB will have to change the very approach that got him the job in then first place. Which then begs the question of exactly what he has to offer that will see us arrive at the nirvana of avoiding another relegation battle.

I think FDB's position is already untenable. And in a results business he will carry the can. But he is not exclusively to blame for this situation.

 


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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 04 Sep 17 10.13am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by bexleydave


I do agree with the writer that maximum possession/multiple passing football does produce some sleep-inducing entertainment. I've never really understood why it would be something that any spectator would want. It's quite depressing to know that even the Ajax crowd got bored with it. I'm still hoping that FdB will wake up, smell the coffee and see what he needs to do to keep his job. But I'm equally worried that he's incapable of change.

FDB did of course win 4 titles for Ajax as a manager and this will always appear in the history books.

And Ajax hadn't won it for a few years when he took over so he turned around their fortunes, however I have already mentioned that Ajax had a terrific infrastructure including a well-renowned academy and they have been the main club in the Netherlands so perhaps his achievements there should be viewed in context.When I mentioned this on HOL I came in for some criticism !

We read reports of the Ajax supporters being bored by his tactics towards the end and it should be remembered that in his last season at Ajax they finished a 'Country Mile' behind PSV Eindhoven so a somewhat fall from grace.He then went on to Inter Milan where it didn't work out for him, however he wasn't appointed until August so he never had a vital pre-season with the team and there might have been other extenuating circumstances.

Point is, he came to us when his stock was not on a particular 'High' and of course he is under intense pressure at our club due to recent results etc.One can only speculate that if he wasn't the high-profile FDB would he have even been considered for the job at our club ?

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View bexleydave's Profile bexleydave Flag Barnehurst 04 Sep 17 10.22am Send a Private Message to bexleydave Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add bexleydave as a friend

Originally posted by NEILLO

I think Steinberg has summed the situation up pretty well.

The ' interview process ' with FDB would most surely have covered his footballing philosophies....and how he intended to implement them at Palace.

In which case Steve Parish would have evaluated whether this was the right direction for the club to be taking and indeed if it was feasible. The fact that FDB was hired suggests that SP had bought into what he was bringing to the table.

Just three games in and collective nerves appear to have gone. Ironic when you consider how long we persisted with Alan Pardew's losing football.

So now it seems that FDB will have to change the very approach that got him the job in then first place. Which then begs the question of exactly what he has to offer that will see us arrive at the nirvana of avoiding another relegation battle.

I think FDB's position is already untenable. And in a results business he will carry the can. But he is not exclusively to blame for this situation.

There's some truth in what you're saying, but there was some nonsense from de Boer on his appointment that certainly gave me, and I'm sure others, cause for concern. His pronouncement that our squad was best suited for 3-4-3, when he hadn't had the opportunity to assess it. His promise of "evolution not revolution", before jumping in feet first with a complete change of system that it was clear we didn't have the personnel to play. Relentlessly banging square pegs into round holes in a vain attempt to make his system work rather than playing to the squads strengths.

He could still recover the situation, but I have my doubts that he'd be prepared to make the sort of changes would be needed to get results. Plus it's impossible to know how badly the relationship with the owners has broken down and, with the appointment of Freedman, it could look like a contingency plan is already in place. The whole thing has turned into a bit of mess in just a couple of months.

 


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View bexleydave's Profile bexleydave Flag Barnehurst 04 Sep 17 10.26am Send a Private Message to bexleydave Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add bexleydave as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

FDB did of course win 4 titles for Ajax as a manager and this will always appear in the history books.

And Ajax hadn't won it for a few years when he took over so he turned around their fortunes, however I have already mentioned that Ajax had a terrific infrastructure including a well-renowned academy and they have been the main club in the Netherlands so perhaps his achievements there should be viewed in context.When I mentioned this on HOL I came in for some criticism !

We read reports of the Ajax supporters being bored by his tactics towards the end and it should be remembered that in his last season at Ajax they finished a 'Country Mile' behind PSV Eindhoven so a somewhat fall from grace.He then went on to Inter Milan where it didn't work out for him, however he wasn't appointed until August so he never had a vital pre-season with the team and there might have been other extenuating circumstances.

Point is, he came to us when his stock was not on a particular 'High' and of course he is under intense pressure at our club due to recent results etc.One can only speculate that if he wasn't the high-profile FDB would he have even been considered for the job at our club ?


Not from me

 


Bexley Dave

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View PZ Eagle's Profile PZ Eagle Flag Penzance 04 Sep 17 10.32am Send a Private Message to PZ Eagle Add PZ Eagle as a friend

Barcelona won almost everything going but to be honest the tiki taka passing sideways backwards sideways again bored the s*** out of me, I used to sit there and beg someone just take a shot at goal. I do understand that it did provide winning football and also the lump it forward to a big striker doesn't cut the mustard anymore.
I would like to see a mixture of both played at a higher tempo than we are currently performing at.

 


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