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hedgehog50 Croydon 25 Sep 17 5.47pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Why don't you move to Germany. Looking at the election results there you'd fit right in . The rise of a right wing party in Germany is a result of the damaging policies that the ideologue Angela Merkel has pursued. I think I fit in here, I voted for Brexit - most of those voting did too; I voted for the Tories in the last election and they got the largest percentage share of the vote of all the parties. So it appears I do fit in here. We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]
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Croydon 25 Sep 17 5.47pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Why don't you move to Germany. Looking at the election results there you'd fit right in .

The rise of a right wing party in Germany is a result of the damaging policies that the ideologue Angela Merkel has pursued. I think I fit in here, I voted for Brexit - most of those voting did too; I voted for the Tories in the last election and they got the largest percentage share of the vote of all the parties. So it appears I do fit in here.

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

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Ray in Houston Houston 25 Sep 17 5.52pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 Private companies go bankrupt if they are badly run or produce goods or services that consumers don't want. Public services go on and on fueled by tax payers money regardless of how inefficient, over-staffed and incompetent they are. Why do you live in a country whose ways of running things you despise so much? Why not move to Cuba - real socialism there for you to enjoy. You're missing the point on the bankruptcy thing: the need for essential public services doesn't go away if the company providing them disappears. It's not like Rover going poof; you can still get a car. If the company providing air traffic control services shutters its doors, there'll be a lot of planes bumping into each other in the air. Simply, a provider of essential public services cannot fail, hence the need to fund it even if it's failing...like the private-run ATC service. I'm not saying that every public entity is perfect, that would be stupid and wrong. You, however, seem to think that any private venture is going to do a better job than any public entity purely by dint of being private. That too is stupid and wrong. As for Cuba; I don't speak Spanish. Edited by Ray in Houston (25 Sep 2017 6.00pm) We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.
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Originally posted by hedgehog50

Private companies go bankrupt if they are badly run or produce goods or services that consumers don't want. Public services go on and on fueled by tax payers money regardless of how inefficient, over-staffed and incompetent they are.

Why do you live in a country whose ways of running things you despise so much? Why not move to Cuba - real socialism there for you to enjoy.

You're missing the point on the bankruptcy thing: the need for essential public services doesn't go away if the company providing them disappears. It's not like Rover going poof; you can still get a car. If the company providing air traffic control services shutters its doors, there'll be a lot of planes bumping into each other in the air. Simply, a provider of essential public services cannot fail, hence the need to fund it even if it's failing...like the private-run ATC service.

I'm not saying that every public entity is perfect, that would be stupid and wrong. You, however, seem to think that any private venture is going to do a better job than any public entity purely by dint of being private. That too is stupid and wrong.

As for Cuba; I don't speak Spanish.

Edited by Ray in Houston (25 Sep 2017 6.00pm)

We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

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Hrolf The Ganger 25 Sep 17 6.02pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Why don't you move to Germany. Looking at the election results there you'd fit right in . What a pathetic statement. The Right is doing well in Germany because of the dumbassery of government policy. People see the future and many don't like what they see. You just about see to the end of your nose.
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Originally posted by nickgusset

Why don't you move to Germany. Looking at the election results there you'd fit right in .

What a pathetic statement.

The Right is doing well in Germany because of the dumbassery of government policy.
People see the future and many don't like what they see.

You just about see to the end of your nose.

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hedgehog50 Croydon 25 Sep 17 6.22pm
Originally posted by Ray in Houston You're missing the point on the bankruptcy thing: the need for essential public services doesn't go away if the company providing them disappears. It's not like Rover going poof; you can still get a car. If the company providing air traffic control services shutters its doors, there'll be a lot of planes bumping into each other in the air. Simply, a provider of essential public services cannot fail, hence the need to fund it even if it's failing...like the private-run ATC service. I'm not saying that every public entity is perfect, that would be stupid and wrong. You, however, seem to think that any private venture is going to do a better job than any public entity purely by dint of being private. That too is stupid and wrong. As for Cuba; I don't speak Spanish. Edited by Ray in Houston (25 Sep 2017 6.00pm) How about Venezuela? Their President recently urged his hungry people not to be squeamish about eating their rabbits. This illustrates the usual trajectory of socialist experiments - it begins with dreams of a more equal society and ends with people eating their pets. But seriously, why do you live in a country that has the most hardcore version in the world of an economic system that you think does not work? Edited by hedgehog50 (25 Sep 2017 6.24pm) We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]
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Croydon 25 Sep 17 6.22pm

Originally posted by Ray in Houston

As for Cuba; I don't speak Spanish.

Edited by Ray in Houston (25 Sep 2017 6.00pm)

How about Venezuela? Their President recently urged his hungry people not to be squeamish about eating their rabbits. This illustrates the usual trajectory of socialist experiments - it begins with dreams of a more equal society and ends with people eating their pets.
But seriously, why do you live in a country that has the most hardcore version in the world of an economic system that you think does not work?

Edited by hedgehog50 (25 Sep 2017 6.24pm)

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Ray in Houston Houston 25 Sep 17 8.06pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 How about Venezuela? Their President recently urged his hungry people not to be squeamish about eating their rabbits. This illustrates the usual trajectory of socialist experiments - it begins with dreams of a more equal society and ends with people eating their pets. But seriously, why do you live in a country that has the most hardcore version in the world of an economic system that you think does not work? So you left Britain when Blair was in charge for 10 years? Or did you stick around and vote against him? Also, the speak Spanish in Venezuela; the name kinda gives it away. We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.
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Ray in Houston

Houston 25 Sep 17 8.06pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

So you left Britain when Blair was in charge for 10 years? Or did you stick around and vote against him?

Also, the speak Spanish in Venezuela; the name kinda gives it away.

We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 25 Sep 17 8.11pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger What a pathetic statement. The Right is doing well in Germany because of the dumbassery of government policy. People see the future and many don't like what they see. You just about see to the end of your nose. It was in riposte to another why don't you go and live in. Puerile if you ask me. But you've got to shine a light on it sometimes haven't you?
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Shizzlehurst 25 Sep 17 8.11pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

What a pathetic statement.

The Right is doing well in Germany because of the dumbassery of government policy.
People see the future and many don't like what they see.

You just about see to the end of your nose.

It was in riposte to another why don't you go and live in.
Puerile if you ask me. But you've got to shine a light on it sometimes haven't you?

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Rubin 25 Sep 17 8.16pm
Originally posted by Ray in Houston My initial impression is that I needed sunglasses to look at that clip. So. Much. White. Your first thought was the skin colour of the people, and not what they were saying or the content of their character? That's a bit racist.
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25 Sep 17 8.16pm

Originally posted by Ray in Houston

My initial impression is that I needed sunglasses to look at that clip.

So. Much. White.

Your first thought was the skin colour of the people, and not what they were saying or the content of their character?

That's a bit racist.

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 25 Sep 17 8.26pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger What a pathetic statement. The Right is doing well in Germany because of the dumbassery of government policy. People see the future and many don't like what they see. You just about see to the end of your nose. Nearly a quarter of the German labour force is currently on "low wages", which is second only to Lithuania in the entire eurozone. Most of that cheap labour is concentrated in East Germany, where the left's failure to offer an alternative meant that AfD was able to capitalise on people's fears of even cheaper labour arriving in Germany and taking their jobs, despite East Germany having the lowest level of immigration in the country. The two main parties, the SPD and CDU, have been responsible for this policy of low wages and now they have paid the price, especially the SPD (still not as bad as their colleagues in France or Greece). It's likely that the CDU will continue such policies, even more so given that one of their potential partners, FDP, is even more neoliberal than them.
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Shizzlehurst 25 Sep 17 8.26pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

What a pathetic statement.

The Right is doing well in Germany because of the dumbassery of government policy.
People see the future and many don't like what they see.

You just about see to the end of your nose.

Nearly a quarter of the German labour force is currently on "low wages", which is second only to Lithuania in the entire eurozone.

Most of that cheap labour is concentrated in East Germany, where the left's failure to offer an alternative meant that AfD was able to capitalise on people's fears of even cheaper labour arriving in Germany and taking their jobs, despite East Germany having the lowest level of immigration in the country.
The two main parties, the SPD and CDU, have been responsible for this policy of low wages and now they have paid the price, especially the SPD (still not as bad as their colleagues in France or Greece). It's likely that the CDU will continue such policies, even more so given that one of their potential partners, FDP, is even more neoliberal than them.

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Ray in Houston Houston 25 Sep 17 8.30pm
Originally posted by Rubin Your first thought was the skin colour of the people, and not what they were saying or the content of their character? That's a bit racist. Hehe. Touche! We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.
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Houston 25 Sep 17 8.30pm

Originally posted by Rubin

Your first thought was the skin colour of the people, and not what they were saying or the content of their character?

That's a bit racist.

Hehe. Touche!

We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

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hedgehog50 Croydon 25 Sep 17 8.35pm
Originally posted by Ray in Houston So you left Britain when Blair was in charge for 10 years? Or did you stick around and vote against him? Also, the speak Spanish in Venezuela; the name kinda gives it away. I voted for Blair! We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]
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Croydon 25 Sep 17 8.35pm

Originally posted by Ray in Houston

So you left Britain when Blair was in charge for 10 years? Or did you stick around and vote against him?

Also, the speak Spanish in Venezuela; the name kinda gives it away.

I voted for Blair!

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Ray in Houston Houston 25 Sep 17 8.39pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 I voted for Blair! Fair enough. The point being that you don't have to leave a place because you don't like how it's being run; it's a country, not a pub. Edited by Ray in Houston (25 Sep 2017 8.39pm) We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.
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Houston 25 Sep 17 8.39pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

I voted for Blair!

Fair enough. The point being that you don't have to leave a place because you don't like how it's being run; it's a country, not a pub.

Edited by Ray in Houston (25 Sep 2017 8.39pm)

We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

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hedgehog50 Croydon 25 Sep 17 9.15pm
Originally posted by Ray in Houston Fair enough. The point being that you don't have to leave a place because you don't like how it's being run; it's a country, not a pub. Edited by Ray in Houston (25 Sep 2017 8.39pm) Why do you think people flee socialist countries like Cuba and try to get to capitalist countries like the USA? We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]
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Croydon 25 Sep 17 9.15pm

Originally posted by Ray in Houston

Fair enough. The point being that you don't have to leave a place because you don't like how it's being run; it's a country, not a pub.

Edited by Ray in Houston (25 Sep 2017 8.39pm)

Why do you think people flee socialist countries like Cuba and try to get to capitalist countries like the USA?

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

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