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View Midlands Eagle's Profile Midlands Eagle Flag 11 Oct 17 6.28am Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by palacer

Parish went on Holradio and answered questions for over an hour. There is no need for a statement. How many other clubs chairmen or owners would do that?

I don't suppose that many other clubs' chairmen would be invited onto HOL radio.

As mentioned quite a few times already SP loves the limelight and is often on national radio but whilst I'm sure that the hosts of most national radio stations would love to interview the chairman of Europe's worst performing football club he has become unusually reticent and will only appear on a friendly station with a relatively tiny audience

 

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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

I don't suppose that many other clubs' chairmen would be invited onto HOL radio.

As mentioned quite a few times already SP loves the limelight and is often on national radio but whilst I'm sure that the hosts of most national radio stations would love to interview the chairman of Europe's worst performing football club he has become unusually reticent and will only appear on a friendly station with a relatively tiny audience

Your insane hatred of S.P has addled your brain, saying that Palace are the worst performing club in Europe is just plain crazy, we have a bad start to the season and lost 6 games get real for ffs

 

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Originally posted by ARGILE OLD GEEZER

Your insane hatred of S.P has addled your brain, saying that Palace are the worst performing club in Europe is just plain crazy, we have a bad start to the season and lost 6 games get real for ffs

But he's correct, Palace are the worst performing club in Europe at the moment, a quick look through the other European league tables show that.

 

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View Midlands Eagle's Profile Midlands Eagle Flag 11 Oct 17 7.25am Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by ARGILE OLD GEEZER

Your insane hatred of S.P has addled your brain, saying that Palace are the worst performing club in Europe is just plain crazy, we have a bad start to the season and lost 6 games get real for ffs

I thought that my mother's penchant for over exaggeration was bad enough but you beat her by a country mile. As you share advanced age with my mother I assume that it's a common trait amongst the elderly.

For your information I do not hate SP and I don't even dislike him but unlike so many others I have excellent vision that isn't clouded by red and blue glasses that filters out anything that you don't want to see.

Google "Crystal Palace are the worst club in Europe" and you will come up with dozens of articles with that heading including such facts as we are the only club in Europe's top 20 divisions - a list consisting of 314 teams, not to have scored at all this season.

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PS. I did smile at your comment that I should get real

 

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View DutchEagleJohan's Profile DutchEagleJohan Flag Vlissingen, Netherlands 11 Oct 17 9.34am Send a Private Message to DutchEagleJohan Add DutchEagleJohan as a friend

My point really is two fold:

Whatever the argument, SP took over at Palace mainly on emotional grounds without a lot of certainty he was going to retrieve his invested funds let alone make big profits. I do not think he was or is in it for the money, whether that is in salary or future profits on investment.
The second and more important one: you make it sound like it is common and common sense to work with no salary and income. Now I know of a few detailled arrangements in mid size companies either in the process of being taken over and after a take over and believe me: I have not seen one director on no or minmal income. Even more important: the money generating side of the business (lets face it, TV revenue by far the dictating one) is so volatile, unpredictable, dependent on results of the first team and the arrangements extremely short term that any planning really is difficult and predictions of the value of the company mid term even more so. Hence my remark regarding the comparison with "corporate" finance. Hence also my worries that we could be in danger if we were to go down, and at the very minimum will be writing off tens of millions on transfer fees of the likes of Benteke, Van Aanholt, Sakho and Schlupp .


Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Sorry but I don't see your point.

When you have a business in the championship possibly making a loss, unless you manage to sell players to the value of £5mil per season, why would you add more to that 'loss' by drawing a salary? You're effectively hamstringing yourself.

I can see why in the end Parish ended up paying himself after getting through those losing years unless £5 mil of players were sold. I'm quite a critic of his, as you know. If he sold Palace in 10 years time and either 2010 or now the yanks made a load out of their investment and his 'full time' chairman role, how would he or anyone feel they'd shared millions from his uncharged hours when they were being paid for similar elsewhere.

This doesn't mean I don't think he's been out of his depth football decision wise in the last 2 years as well as whenever there isn't an absolutely top class manager telling him how it needs to be or they're off.


 

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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 11 Oct 17 9.41am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Some of the creative and 'inevitable' reasons on a BBS thread why we're in such a mess would be amusing if you weren't Palace and you didn't know the real reasons, as indeed happened on hol radio on 8th October.

This has been Parish's worst summer, beating last year's worst summer. For balance, Parish's best period in charge was crisis managing the day after Pulis walked out and bringing Pardew in. That could've gone badly badly wrong, but didn't. The Cabaye contract raised a small alarm bell that Pardew made louder with his lauding of Cabaye over the others but mainly it was very good. They got carried away next season with comments of Europe, England and Chelsea jobs.

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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 11 Oct 17 9.49am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by DutchEagleJohan

My point really is two fold:

Whatever the argument, SP took over at Palace mainly on emotional grounds without a lot of certainty he was going to retrieve his invested funds let alone make big profits. I do not think he was or is in it for the money, whether that is in salary or future profits on investment.
The second and more important one: you make it sound like it is common and common sense to work with no salary and income. Now I know of a few detailled arrangements in mid size companies either in the process of being taken over and after a take over and believe me: I have not seen one director on no or minmal income. Even more important: the money generating side of the business (lets face it, TV revenue by far the dictating one) is so volatile, unpredictable, dependent on results of the first team and the arrangements extremely short term that any planning really is difficult and predictions of the value of the company mid term even more so. Hence my remark regarding the comparison with "corporate" finance. Hence also my worries that we could be in danger if we were to go down, and at the very minimum will be writing off tens of millions on transfer fees of the likes of Benteke, Van Aanholt, Sakho and Schlupp .

Businesses in their infancy do have owners that do not pay themselves a salary. For readers who don't get this, watch Dragons Den. When asked they give salaries that cover living expenses or even just food.

We were in our infancy and even though we employed dozens of people, we were either making a loss or breaking even after selling the likes of Ambrose, Scannell, Clyne and then Zaha. It is not good business sense to use money to pay an owner when the aim is to grow a business. You're taking £650k out of transfer funds, when the manager demands it, and half of that goes to the taxman, when it wouldn't if you didn't pay the wage because there's no profit in the business. It's either running at a loss or break even.

Parish had just made millions, £40 mil was it, or was it £100, from selling TAG? How even more short term and self defeating for his CPFC project would paying himself be then?

Things change with £100mil extra revenue and just making others £150k better off per year x years.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (11 Oct 2017 9.54am)

 


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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Businesses in their infancy do have owners that do not pay themselves a salary. For readers who don't get this, watch Dragons Den. When asked they give salaries that cover living expenses or even just food.

We were in our infancy and even though we employed dozens of people, we were either making a loss or breaking even after selling the likes of Ambrose, Scannell, Clyne and then Zaha. It is not good business sense to use money to pay an owner when the aim is to grow a business. You're taking £650k out of transfer funds, when the manager demands it, and half of that goes to the taxman, when it wouldn't if you didn't pay the wage because there's no profit in the business. It's either running at a loss or break even.

Parish had just made millions, £40 mil was it, or was it £100, from selling TAG? How even more short term and self defeating for his CPFC project would paying himself be then?

Things change with £100mil extra revenue and just making others £150k better off per year x years.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (11 Oct 2017 9.54am)

so following your logic Rudi when we got in the Prem and made c£25m profit in our 1st 2 years he had ever justification to take a salary and he didn't.

I'm not a massive SP fan but to accuse him of money grabbing, as some on here have, is just wrong

 

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Originally posted by palace99

so following your logic Rudi when we got in the Prem and made c£25m profit in our 1st 2 years he had ever justification to take a salary and he didn't.

I'm not a massive SP fan but to accuse him of money grabbing, as some on here have, is just wrong

Completely lost me.

When the business was in its infancy he didn't take a salary because it was making a loss or breaking even. Paying himself a salary would hold the business and club back. He didn't pay himself a salary to begin with in the prem. I don't know why. Maybe because before Pulis came in we looked odds on to go down and back to the same financial situation. The following season Pulis walked and we had Warnock and another slog. There was also the aim of saving so many millions for stadium development and his long term asset appreciation and profit. Paying himself a profit and tax dents that if you're expecting relegation very soon.

He's done nothing questionable in my view. If we're in a situation in x seasons time in the championship and his salary could be holding us back then maybe I would have. But above all of that he's not suitable to be running football matters. Anyone who thinks never having anything near a full squad training together pre season and the negligence of specialist positions being left to 31st August simply isn't. It was always going to relegate us at some point. I've been saying it every summer and this season it's happening. He's not a football man but an operations and cost saving director.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (12 Oct 2017 11.21am)

 


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View Midlands Eagle's Profile Midlands Eagle Flag 12 Oct 17 11.45am Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by palace99

I'm not a massive SP fan but to accuse him of money grabbing, as some on here have, is just wrong

I must have missed something as I don't recall anyone accusing him of being "money grabbing"

Perhaps you could provide us with a link to confirm your allegation

 

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