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View Jon1ukg's Profile Jon1ukg Flag 08 Nov 17 10.35pm Send a Private Message to Jon1ukg Add Jon1ukg as a friend

I have been reading posts on this site for a long time now, living in Cornwall I don't get to any games anymore but it's great to read what you all post to give me a great insight into the team we all love so thank you all first and foremost but seeing Benteke back in training made me regain hope for this season to pull ourselves out of this mess. I appreciate he's not everyone's cup of tea but we are missing a proven goalscorer so badly with wilf and andros supplying him really gives us a chance.

 

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View FairweatherEagle's Profile FairweatherEagle Flag London 09 Nov 17 3.16pm Send a Private Message to FairweatherEagle Add FairweatherEagle as a friend

He's not my cup of tea when he's marked out of the game so easily and wins so few headers. That said he didn't look too bad against City so let's hope he picks up where he left of in that game.

 

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Reknaw Flag 09 Nov 17 6.37pm

Originally posted by FairweatherEagle

He's not my cup of tea when he's marked out of the game so easily and wins so few headers. That said he didn't look too bad against City so let's hope he picks up where he left of in that game.

You’re joking right? You realise Benteke won most aerial duels in the whole of the top 5 leagues in Europe last season? Cant remember the exact number but if i remember rightly he had won over 100 more than the player in second in the Premier League too. Was a total north of 400.

He was also in the lead in the Premier League up until his injury this season.

You clearly don’t watch him enough to judge him as a player.

 

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View KB's Profile KB Flag 09 Nov 17 7.10pm Send a Private Message to KB Add KB as a friend

Originally posted by Reknaw

You’re joking right? You realise Benteke won most aerial duels in the whole of the top 5 leagues in Europe last season? Cant remember the exact number but if i remember rightly he had won over 100 more than the player in second in the Premier League too. Was a total north of 400.

He was also in the lead in the Premier League up until his injury this season.

You clearly don’t watch him enough to judge him as a player.

He loses a lot of them too though. That stat really surprised me, but is very impressive. I feel though that his rate of winning them would not be so impressive, and that this stat is partly due to our style of play and hitting it long to Benteke so often. Some of the headed goals he's scored are phenomenal, but I think Murray was better at winning aerial duels and retaining possession (not trying to turn this into a Murray thread)

 

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View FairweatherEagle's Profile FairweatherEagle Flag London 09 Nov 17 7.43pm Send a Private Message to FairweatherEagle Add FairweatherEagle as a friend

Originally posted by Reknaw

You’re joking right? You realise Benteke won most aerial duels in the whole of the top 5 leagues in Europe last season? Cant remember the exact number but if i remember rightly he had won over 100 more than the player in second in the Premier League too. Was a total north of 400.

He was also in the lead in the Premier League up until his injury this season.

You clearly don’t watch him enough to judge him as a player.

I think those stats are misleading - he may win the initial header, but we seem to lose the second ball a lot after that. Fact is he's been pretty ineffectual in the traditional target man role we play him in recently.

 

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View Tim Gypsy Hill '64's Profile Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Flag Stoke sub normal 09 Nov 17 8.28pm Send a Private Message to Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Add Tim Gypsy Hill '64 as a friend

Originally posted by KB

He loses a lot of them too though. That stat really surprised me, but is very impressive. I feel though that his rate of winning them would not be so impressive, and that this stat is partly due to our style of play and hitting it long to Benteke so often. Some of the headed goals he's scored are phenomenal, but I think Murray was better at winning aerial duels and retaining possession (not trying to turn this into a Murray thread)

I can't really understand what you mean here. He wins more than anyone else, but loses some too. He cannot win them all. What do you expect?

If we didn't hit it long to him, he wouldn't get the opportunity to win/lose aerial duals. He would neither win or lose, as the ball isn't aerial!

 


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View Tim Gypsy Hill '64's Profile Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Flag Stoke sub normal 09 Nov 17 8.30pm Send a Private Message to Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Add Tim Gypsy Hill '64 as a friend

Originally posted by FairweatherEagle

I think those stats are misleading - he may win the initial header, but we seem to lose the second ball a lot after that. Fact is he's been pretty ineffectual in the traditional target man role we play him in recently.

That's not his fault. If he wins the aerial ball, why is there nobody there to assist?

 


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View lefty27's Profile lefty27 Flag ipswich 09 Nov 17 9.58pm Send a Private Message to lefty27 Add lefty27 as a friend

Originally posted by Tim Gypsy Hill '64

That's not his fault. If he wins the aerial ball, why is there nobody there to assist?

Agree with this, it’s up to the supporting players to win the second ball, can’t blame tekkers for winning headers! We never seem to have wilf or Andros running in behind, gambling on the fact that tekkers will win most of the balls we hit his way.
Add 17 goals to the balls he wins and he is a huge factor in us staying up last season, and will this when he comes back and starts scoring.

 

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Reknaw Flag 09 Nov 17 10.06pm

Originally posted by FairweatherEagle

I think those stats are misleading - he may win the initial header, but we seem to lose the second ball a lot after that. Fact is he's been pretty ineffectual in the traditional target man role we play him in recently.

What are you going on about? The argument was that he ‘wins so few headers’. The stat completely proves that statement wrong. How can he be blamed if no one wins the second ball? Ludicrous.

 

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View Goldfiinger's Profile Goldfiinger Flag Just down the road 09 Nov 17 10.58pm Send a Private Message to Goldfiinger Add Goldfiinger as a friend

Originally posted by Tim Gypsy Hill '64

I can't really understand what you mean here. He wins more than anyone else, but loses some too. He cannot win them all. What do you expect?

If we didn't hit it long to him, he wouldn't get the opportunity to win/lose aerial duals. He would neither win or lose, as the ball isn't aerial!

You do understand, and if not I'll explain... it's our silly fans trying to ignor facts to suit the feeling they have that he's not actually a quality player.

Similar to Wilf making more chances than most yet still gets accused of not being consistent. Except the facts would suggest he consistently creates chances...

We need to get behind Benteke when he's back as we desperately need him to hit the ground running.


 

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View spartakev2's Profile spartakev2 Flag Anerley 09 Nov 17 11.54pm Send a Private Message to spartakev2 Add spartakev2 as a friend

Any stats for shots on target with his feet,compared to other premiership forwards? Just wondering...

 

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chateauferret Flag 10 Nov 17 12.58am

Originally posted by spartakev2

Any stats for shots on target with his feet,compared to other premiership forwards? Just wondering...

What feet?

 


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