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Originally posted by taylors lovechild

I was listening and then you said sell our best striker for £20 million and then I stopped even thinking about the rest.

I was quite interested in looking at the suggestions, but stopped reading at Dwight Gayle.

 

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Originally posted by mattteo

Why not? 25 goals in 3500 minutes for Crystal Palace say he is. What more would it take for him to be one? Do you want him to grow wings and fly? Score a hat trick every match? Win his team the league?? Oh wait, he just did that for Newcastle last year, being the player with most goals and most assists

Edited by mattteo (15 Nov 2017 12.01am)

He only scored 15 goals in the Premier over 3 seasons, hardly a great record.
No disputing his record over lower opposition in cup games.

 

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Originally posted by Painter

He only scored 15 goals in the Premier over 3 seasons, hardly a great record.
No disputing his record over lower opposition in cup games.


Well, yeah, but he scored those goals in less playing time than Benteke took to score 15 goals. Much less playing time if you add up all those games.

 

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Originally posted by mattteo


Well, yeah, but he scored those goals in less playing time than Benteke took to score 15 goals. Much less playing time if you add up all those games.


I think the goals per mins stat is irrelevant, what’s his chance conversion? It would be like saying a keeper playing for a bottom team is the best in the league because he has made the most saves, you can use stats to back up any argument.
If a striker isn’t having opportunities created for them they won’t score, regardless of how long they have been on the pitch.
We create the chances Benteke will score the goals.

 

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Originally posted by mattteo


Well, yeah, but he scored those goals in less playing time than Benteke took to score 15 goals. Much less playing time if you add up all those games.

Benteke is in the squad for one of the favourites for the World Cup, not even sure what national team Gayle would play for?
Chelsea are apparently interested in Benteke.
Gayle has just had the best season of his career, he’s not in the Newcastle team, no one is interested.
If this has really turned into a ‘who’s the best out of Benteke and Gayle’, it has become a pointless thread.

 

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Originally posted by lefty27


I think the goals per mins stat is irrelevant, what’s his chance conversion? It would be like saying a keeper playing for a bottom team is the best in the league because he has made the most saves, you can use stats to back up any argument.
If a striker isn’t having opportunities created for them they won’t score, regardless of how long they have been on the pitch.
We create the chances Benteke will score the goals.


They both played for this same team, which has been in the bottom half of the PL last year and 3 years ago as well, with similar quality players creating roughly the same amount of chances for the strikers.

 

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Originally posted by Casual

Benteke is in the squad for one of the favourites for the World Cup, not even sure what national team Gayle would play for?
Chelsea are apparently interested in Benteke.
Gayle has just had the best season of his career, he’s not in the Newcastle team, no one is interested.
If this has really turned into a ‘who’s the best out of Benteke and Gayle’, it has become a pointless thread.


Chelsea wasn't interested in Kevin de Bruyne 3 years ago. What does this prove? Only that people making decisions are not very smart.
Same way as the didn't care about Salah, same way United didn't care about Pogba, same way Tottenham brought in Soldado or same way Liverpool brought in Andy Carroll.

 

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Originally posted by mattteo


They both played for this same team, which has been in the bottom half of the PL last year and 3 years ago as well, with similar quality players creating roughly the same amount of chances for the strikers.

Gayle took 3 seasons to score his goals, he wasn't played as he didn't train well and had a attitude problem, was only played as last resort.
That is why nobody wants to take him off Newcastles hands.

 

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Originally posted by mattteo


Chelsea wasn't interested in Kevin de Bruyne 3 years ago. What does this prove? Only that people making decisions are not very smart.
Same way as the didn't care about Salah, same way United didn't care about Pogba, same way Tottenham brought in Soldado or same way Liverpool brought in Andy Carroll.

KDB and Pogba were young and improved massively.
Salah and Soldado came from other countries and didn’t settle.
Liverpool has there pants pulled down over Carroll, as they needed to buy after selling Torres.
Gayle is 28 and been in the premier league for years. No ones interested

 

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Just a reminder that Gayle has scored at Old Trafford and if the ref had allowed his correct goal the previous matchday he'd have had 2 by now and he's just started being played.
Benteke has just had another match with big chances missed

Edited by mattteo (19 Nov 2017 9.43am)

 

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Originally posted by mattteo

This post is in response to all the rumours linking us to 20+ million Khouma Babacar, Cenk Tosun, Slimani, Florin Andone or others.


Asamoah Gyan- not on an extremely big salary, could be afforded by a PL team, he plies his trade in Turkey with Kayserispor after being the best striker ever to play in the United Arab Emirates years in a row. He has also proven himself at international level and was also pretty darn good in Europe before choosing the "big money" at just 26 and going to Al Ain. He currently plays little for Turkey's 4th placed team, mainly because the manager there (whom is a fellow Romanian and I know well), is an idiot. 51 goals in 106 matches for the national team, that's the best any African striker has. Kayserispor got him for free!!!

Nils Petersen- probably the most underrated big center forward out there. If you want someone who can score big time and is a big man up front for moments when you dominate, he's your man. Never really appreciated in Freiburg. Olympic silver medalist in 2016 with Germany, after scoring 6 goals in the tournament. The Germans ask for really small fees compared to the players' value and compared to the English market. Petersen is better than any player who costs 5-8 times more and plays in the PL

Dwight Gayle- really underrated in his time here. I've seen many opinions about him being a "great Championship player", but not "good enough for the PL". I find that impossible. Those who prove themselves very good in the Championship are also good strikers in the PL. From Rickie Lambert to Troy Deeney, from Charlie Austin to Jamie Vardy, from Callum Wilson to Ighalo, from Andre Gray to Abel Hernandez, they've all been decent if not actually good in the PL. Yes, there's the occasional Patrick Bamford, but he was very young and inexperienced and at his age was always a gamble. Gayle has been a steady goalscorer both in the PL and in the Championship for many years. IF you give him playing time, he'll do it, he'll repay you. Rafa Benitez has turned away from him, even though it was mainly Gayle who ensured their promotion from the Championship. He prefers Joselu and Mitrovic. Even though he has 9 matches and no goals this year, Dwight Gayle has actually scored last match against Bournemouth and it was wrongly disallowed for offside (you can check it out on many sites: [Link] )
He had the best goal to minutes played ratio last year and was even among the best in the PL when he was playing for Palace: 25 goals in 3400 minutes. He's only 27. Fulham offers 15 million for him. He'd probably chose to stay in the PL if we'd offer him.

Emenike- this one's a tricky one, as he doesn't seem to be scoring much. He has even retired from the Nigeria national after criticism of not having scored in 2 years. Well, the time may seem long, but he actually assisted 5 times in those last 1200 minutes for the national team (and they were tough games in the World Cup with Bosnia and Argentina where he assisted). I don't differentiate much between a goal and an assist and it just shows that he still contributed for the ultimate purpose: scoring. If a center forward doesn't score but provides an assist every other match is still a good thing. And up until then he had been a wonderful goalscorer too, with 8 goals in 13 matches for Nigeria and also at club level with Spartak Moscow and Fenerbahce, You could say he didn't cut it for West Ham, but he was just used in 16 matches, mostly coming on as a substitute for a few minutes (and he did score 2 goals).He's with Olympiakos, but they also invested in the young Serbian goalscorer Djurdjevic (who's not a confirmation yet), so they might let Emenike go for a low fee. He's 30 years old.

Obafemi Martins- a little too old at 33, but he's one of my favourites. His goals per minutes played ration is surpassed only by a few players at medium-level football leagues in the last years. 40 goals and 20 assists in the MLS in 6200 minutes (beat that, Giovinco!) and 16 goals and 8 assists in China in 2500 minutes. Those of you who had been around back in the day, remember just how fast and awesome he was at 20 years old, playing for Internazionale Milano. He's undervalued in Shanghai Shenhua though and even though the Chinese pretty much ask for gazzillions when selling their star players, they want to give up on Martins because they have the 3 foreign player berths occupied by Carlos Tevez, Giovanni Moreno and Freddy Guarin.


Well, that's it folks. Sell Benteke this winter for 20 million and buy 1 of those strikers, that's what I'd do. Heck, you can buy 4 of them at the same time with that money (one being Nils Peterson in order to have a big guy up front and the other 3 of your choosing). Play a 4-4-2 formation with Zaha and Townsend feeding them balls from the wings. I guarantee you Palace would score big time, which has been the number 1 concern this season, and it could really avoid relegation. The amazing thing for a club like Palace is that it's a PL club and can sell such overrated players like Benteke for huge fees. With 20-25 million gotten for him you could revolutionize the team- if you had the brains to bring good chap players in.

Some other players, but not strikers, who would be good for improving the scoring and cheap (because there are also Zaha and Townsend who are really good and starters):

Right footed wingers:
Ryan Fraser from Bournemoth who has been just 4th choice winger this season (even though Bournemouth would probably not sell to a relegation rival)
Patrick Hermann from Borussia Moenchengladbach
Carlos Mane from Stuttgart (depending on how he comes back from injury)
Ivan Cavaleiro from Wolverhampton
Nani- if you can convince him to leave Lazio, where he doesn't get much playing time

Left footed wingers:
Ben Arfa- who PSG wants to ditch and considering they got him for free, they probably just want someone to take over his wages
Jonny from Malaga, who is dramatically underused for someone who has had wonderful La Liga seasons before joining
Cheryshev- who has come back from injury but finds it difficul to get into Villareal's first team
Lestienne- who was amazing in the Eredivisie and the Champions League for PSV but is dramatically underused in Russia
Hernani from Porto- now that's a player I see as worth even 20 million. And they don't use him!


When I said in the summer: the 1 player that I'd like most is El Shaarawy, he's playing second fiddle at Roma, was 3rd or 4 th winger choice at the end of last seasons. I said "offer 15 million and get him". Imagine what could have been. He's just scored 2 amazing goals against Chelsea and got his career back on track (ok, forget the World Cup elimination, he's only played less that a half from 4 halves against Sweden )

Edited by mattteo (14 Nov 2017 11.06pm)

I stopped reading or taking you seriously when I read the highlighted bit.

 


Jackson..Hinshelwood..Sansom..Nicholas..Cannon..Sakho...Zaha...Thomas..Wright..Holton..Rogers..that should do it..

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