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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag Chatham 07 Dec 17 11.56am Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Just seen that the above (may) have failed to declare proper accounts during the recent election.
Or spent too much.
Tut tut

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 07 Dec 17 12.21pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

Just seen that the above (may) have failed to declare proper accounts during the recent election.
Or spent too much.
Tut tut

I wouldn't be surprised. We know how good the left is at managing money and spending other people's.

 

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View Lyons550's Profile Lyons550 Flag Shirley 07 Dec 17 1.47pm Send a Private Message to Lyons550 Add Lyons550 as a friend

They're bound to call the Money tree to give evidence!

 


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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag Chatham 07 Dec 17 2.17pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

wheres nick

 

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View Lyons550's Profile Lyons550 Flag Shirley 07 Dec 17 2.43pm Send a Private Message to Lyons550 Add Lyons550 as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

wheres nick


I wondered how long before anyone asked that.... lol

 


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View Mapletree's Profile Mapletree Flag Croydon 07 Dec 17 3.12pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I wouldn't be surprised. We know how good the left is at managing money and spending other people's.

There you go again, 'the Left'. It's like they are a different genus. Simplistic labelling results in an 'us and them' discussion from the outset rather than some kind of reasonable debate on its merits.

In the same way as I don't trust extremists of any kind this is a group that makes most people uncomfortable. I don't suppose they are worse than Vote Leave for example but I wouldn't trust them. And I know some were bussed in to Croydon during the last election. I know this because a Labour activist of my acquaintance was bemoaning that fact.

People with only one thing on their mind are downright dangerous and at best irritating.

 

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Originally posted by cryrst

Just seen that the above (may) have failed to declare proper accounts during the recent election.
Or spent too much.
Tut tut

Should be held to account, like the Conservatives were, for any irregularities. Left or Right, the law of the land comes first.

 


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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag Chatham 07 Dec 17 4.32pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

There you go again, 'the Left'. It's like they are a different genus. Simplistic labelling results in an 'us and them' discussion from the outset rather than some kind of reasonable debate on its merits.

In the same way as I don't trust extremists of any kind this is a group that makes most people uncomfortable. I don't suppose they are worse than Vote Leave for example but I wouldn't trust them. And I know some were bussed in to Croydon during the last election. I know this because a Labour activist of my acquaintance was bemoaning that fact.

People with only one thing on their mind are downright dangerous and at best irritating.

Well I'm sorry you feel that labelling is wrong but we all hear and read about the left and the right.
There is a clear line between them now.
Momentum sits on the left and would clearly admit the fact.
And that is fact.

 

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View EverybodyDannsNow's Profile EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 07 Dec 17 4.38pm Send a Private Message to EverybodyDannsNow Add EverybodyDannsNow as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

Well I'm sorry you feel that labelling is wrong but we all hear and read about the left and the right.
There is a clear line between them now.
Momentum sits on the left and would clearly admit the fact.
And that is fact.

Sure, but does that mean that everything Monument does is representative of 'the left' in its entirety?

It's just point-scoring nonsense.

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag Chatham 07 Dec 17 4.44pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Sure, but does that mean that everything Monument does is representative of 'the left' in its entirety?

It's just point-scoring nonsense.

No and I agree it may not be in the name of labour directly or requested by them. But when JC or labour come out and actually state that it isn't why would anything said or done not be associated with labour.
I have a feeling that it might not happen hence momentum is labour. End of.

 

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View Mapletree's Profile Mapletree Flag Croydon 07 Dec 17 4.51pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

Well I'm sorry you feel that labelling is wrong but we all hear and read about the left and the right.
There is a clear line between them now.
Momentum sits on the left and would clearly admit the fact.
And that is fact.

This was specifically aimed at those posters who just constantly carp on about 'the left' or 'the right'. In reality there is no unifying philosophy for either of those descriptions, just some commonality in their points of view. It is unhelpful to label everyone in such a crass way. And it is especially unhelpful to consider that Momentum represents all people that consider themselves 'liberal' or 'progressive' any more than Britain First is representative of all those that consider themselves 'conservative' or 'traditionalist'.

 

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View steeleye20's Profile steeleye20 Flag Croydon 07 Dec 17 4.51pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

Well I'm sorry you feel that labelling is wrong but we all hear and read about the left and the right.
There is a clear line between them now.
Momentum sits on the left and would clearly admit the fact.
And that is fact.

But we are not in 'momentum' and should not be labelled as left wing when it doesn't fit anyway.

It is an irritating stereotype used by people in the absence of any argument.

It's particularly annoying to be labelled as a 'leftie' purely because I have an open mind receptive to new ideas.

We are in the society because we have to be, but that does not mean that we are of it....

Open our minds and let us be rid of redundant 'left' and 'right' stereotyping.

 

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