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View chris123's Profile chris123 Flag hove actually 30 Dec 17 1.41pm Send a Private Message to chris123 Add chris123 as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

Scores the winner against Man C tomorrow and it will go very quiet on HOL !

Unibet have Jordon Mutch at 21/2 as an any time scorer.

 

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View pssguy's Profile pssguy Flag 30 Dec 17 1.48pm Send a Private Message to pssguy Add pssguy as a friend

Originally posted by Username


Where Benteke seems to thrive is the early ball into the box from slightly deeper. Middlesbrough and Everton away last season and his goal at Leicester instantly come to mind. When it's a bit more flighted and from deeper, he seems to be much better at getting in between centre halves and winning the header.

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He needs Townsend in team. He puts far more balls in the air than Zaha. The latter is far more dangerous but Benteke just doesn't have the nous to be in right place for his pull backs, or when he does he lets the ball go between his legs from a yard out

 

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View Username's Profile Username Flag Horsham 30 Dec 17 2.09pm Send a Private Message to Username Add Username as a friend

Originally posted by pssguy

He needs Townsend in team. He puts far more balls in the air than Zaha. The latter is far more dangerous but Benteke just doesn't have the nous to be in right place for his pull backs, or when he does he lets the ball go between his legs from a yard out

Yeah, or full backs who will whip it in when the ball is laid back to them. Kelly and Schlupp are both very reluctant to walk onto the ball and cross it first time.

 


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View Slimey Toad's Profile Slimey Toad Flag Tatlisu, Turkish Rep. of N. Cyprus 30 Dec 17 2.29pm Send a Private Message to Slimey Toad Add Slimey Toad as a friend

I watched Dwight Gayle's movement in the box just before his two goals in that famous 3-3 draw with Liverpool at SP. It was very clever and made the spaces for his strikes.

Benteke just doesn't have that intelligence in his play - in fact it comes across as sheer disinterest sometimes.

 

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View spartakev2's Profile spartakev2 Flag Anerley 30 Dec 17 2.34pm Send a Private Message to spartakev2 Add spartakev2 as a friend

Originally posted by pssguy

He needs Townsend in team. He puts far more balls in the air than Zaha. The latter is far more dangerous but Benteke just doesn't have the nous to be in right place for his pull backs, or when he does he lets the ball go between his legs from a yard out

Isn't townsend in the team?

 

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View PalazioVecchio's Profile PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 30 Dec 17 2.40pm Send a Private Message to PalazioVecchio Add PalazioVecchio as a friend

the most i would now offer Benteke is a 20 minute stretch at the end of a game. And even then , only a game that was looking finished for whatever reason. Us trouncing the opposition or vice versa.

Basically if we need 11 top players playing out of their skin there is no place for Benteke. the guy is a 30 million quid liability.

 


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View jayjaychil's Profile jayjaychil Flag london 30 Dec 17 4.01pm Send a Private Message to jayjaychil Add jayjaychil as a friend

My comment wasn't just about last night and certainly wasn't just about the first 45. Its a general comment and as I stated. Ive been banging on about it for ages. Even while he was at Liverpool I could see how poor his positional play and work rate were.

The fact he gets signalled out is because he is so f***ing lazy. Yet come the final whistle he is moaning to everyone around him. He needs to stop and take a hard look at himself. His career is going backwards and he needs to address it.

Originally posted by Username


I don't understand why people couldn't see that NO ONE was pressing Arsenal in their own half during the first 45 last night. It wasn't Benteke not working, it was clearly the plan. Wilf was doing exactly the same thing but he's not getting criticised.

Also, for someone who is pretty crap with hold up play, his turn and pass was pretty decent for the first goal. I'm not saying he's brilliant, and I definitely want another striker, preferably someone who could start instead of him, but people really need to stop picking on him just because they don't like him. Any positive contribution is ignored and people only notice the negatives.

Before Benteke it was Cabaye who was the waste of money and not worth it. The constant need to have someone to dig out every game is ridiculous. He's only one game removed from scoring and assisting away at Leicester!

On the flipside, players like Luka and McArthur can get away with lapses of concentration and/or losing possession cheaply (both guilty of that against Arsenal a few times) with no one mentioning it.

Still not entirely convinced we are playing to his strengths either. People (often rightly) are often annoyed by his movement in the box, but if you look back at the goals he has scored for us, they aren't normally from a player beating the full back and getting to the byline.

Where Benteke seems to thrive is the early ball into the box from slightly deeper. Middlesbrough and Everton away last season and his goal at Leicester instantly come to mind. When it's a bit more flighted and from deeper, he seems to be much better at getting in between centre halves and winning the header.

Slightly different, but Bournemouth and Liverpool away last season, two goals scored on the break with a quick and decisive delivery into the box where he was able to get free of a defender.

Both Wilf and RLC have a tendency to overplay. Sometimes it works nicely, but the more I watch I think it's clear that Benteke isn't a 'fox in the box' who is going to find space in a crowd of players.


 

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View Username's Profile Username Flag Horsham 30 Dec 17 4.09pm Send a Private Message to Username Add Username as a friend

Originally posted by Slimey Toad

I watched Dwight Gayle's movement in the box just before his two goals in that famous 3-3 draw with Liverpool at SP. It was very clever and made the spaces for his strikes.

Benteke just doesn't have that intelligence in his play - in fact it comes across as sheer disinterest sometimes.

They are completely different players though. Gayle doesn't collect the ball on the halfway line, hold off a centre half, spin and play the ball out to the left wing to help set up the first goal like Benteke did. He doesn't shrug off a defender and set up Wilf at Leicester a couple of weeks ago or flick the ball on to Zaha to put him through on goal against Bournemouth.

He's not perfect by any means, but too many people are asking him to be a player he's never really been. Right now he's contributing in terms of his hold up play, the way he brings the ball down on his chest and lays the ball off is superb. If we do want him to score goals, we've got to stop pretending he's Murray or Gayle.

If he doesn't/can't make the same runs as those two, then let's try and give him the service he does like?


 


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View dynamicdick's Profile dynamicdick Flag Dormansland 30 Dec 17 4.28pm Send a Private Message to dynamicdick Add dynamicdick as a friend

Originally posted by Username

They are completely different players though. Gayle doesn't collect the ball on the halfway line, hold off a centre half, spin and play the ball out to the left wing to help set up the first goal like Benteke did. He doesn't shrug off a defender and set up Wilf at Leicester a couple of weeks ago or flick the ball on to Zaha to put him through on goal against Bournemouth.

He's not perfect by any means, but too many people are asking him to be a player he's never really been. Right now he's contributing in terms of his hold up play, the way he brings the ball down on his chest and lays the ball off is superb. If we do want him to score goals, we've got to stop pretending he's Murray or Gayle.

If he doesn't/can't make the same runs as those two, then let's try and give him the service he does like?


Specsavers comes to mind.....

 


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View Willo's Profile Willo Online Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 30 Dec 17 4.32pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by dynamicdick

Specsavers comes to mind.....

As Jimmy Tarbuck used to say on 'Winner takes all' - "A big difference of opinion" !

 

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View spartakev2's Profile spartakev2 Flag Anerley 30 Dec 17 4.34pm Send a Private Message to spartakev2 Add spartakev2 as a friend

Originally posted by Username

They are completely different players though. Gayle doesn't collect the ball on the halfway line, hold off a centre half, spin and play the ball out to the left wing to help set up the first goal like Benteke did. He doesn't shrug off a defender and set up Wilf at Leicester a couple of weeks ago or flick the ball on to Zaha to put him through on goal against Bournemouth.

He's not perfect by any means, but too many people are asking him to be a player he's never really been. Right now he's contributing in terms of his hold up play, the way he brings the ball down on his chest and lays the ball off is superb. If we do want him to score goals, we've got to stop pretending he's Murray or Gayle.

If he doesn't/can't make the same runs as those two, then let's try and give him the service he does like?


What, like put the ball right on his head while he stands till on the centre spot.

 

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View Willo's Profile Willo Online Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 30 Dec 17 4.37pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by spartakev2

What, like put the ball right on his head while he stands till on the centre spot.

A sort of "Crossbar challenge"
I suspect many on here feel that the crossbar covers more ground in a game than Benteke.

Edited by Willo (30 Dec 2017 4.50pm)

 

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