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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 07 Jan 18 2.08pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I'm hoping that technology will eventually help us with this.

But yes.....the rate of population increase has been causing problems for society for decades already.

Edited by Stirlingsays (07 Jan 2018 1.29pm)

How?

 

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Ever watch Logan's run?

Na, seriously there are lots of ways from immigration control to controversial restrictions on births......With future tech such as the anti aging technologies we are close to making breakthroughs on we are likely to need something.....our population is rocketing and the world's population is generally.

There are underground cities or even further in the future floating ones.

But feeding this human expansion is going to be another problem.....again....technology will answer that or it's going to be horrible.

 

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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Good for you.

Enjoy your bean burger.

There's more than bean burgers that vegans can eat.
Wagamamas have their own vegan menu, Pizza hut have vegan pizzas now as does zizzi's. Even Mcdonalds produced a vegan burger (out in sweden.) Sainsbury's have an increasing vegan range and Tesco's have appointed a head of vegan products. So yeah as the range of products and ease of purchase increases so will the number of vegans.


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 07 Jan 18 2.44pm

Transhumanist technology and post-scarcity technology.

I think we're rapidly approching a point where we can erradicate some aspects of physical death, through the use of bio-technology (digital conciousness, synthetic organs and cloning technology, will soon be able to replicate an entire person, with matching DNA, whilst cybernetics neurotechnology is rapidly becoming common place, eventually to the point where we could reasonably be possible to first transplant human brains into new bodies, and then potentially construct artifical means of storing and transfering memory as data contstructs.

Effectively a form of immortality. Can't cure the terminal disease, grow a new body from DNA and transplant yourself (biologically, or cybernetically) into a 21 year old body - eventually other bodies, any body, gender etc.

Related to this the technology to manipulate atomic structure and subatomic scale, will render the notion of value pointless, which is a potential crisis for society, as it renders capitalism redundant (as if you can manipluate on the atomic and subatomic scale, you can turn anything into anything else - creating a post-scarcity society.

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 07 Jan 18 2.46pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I'm hoping that technology will eventually help us with this.

But yes.....the rate of population increase has been causing problems for society for decades already.

Edited by Stirlingsays (07 Jan 2018 1.29pm)

I think sooner or later a pandemic will resolve this. The classic problem of an expanding world population thats increasingly moving across borders - Sooner or later we'll be looking at a Spainish Flu equivilant, or worse. Spainish Flu killed 50m people world wide, in an era where mass transport and rapid transport was next to non-existant. In the modern age, something like that, could be spreading thoughout the world in days rather than weeks, rendering any attempt at quarentine redundent.

 


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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 07 Jan 18 2.48pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Ever watch Logan's run?

Na, seriously there are lots of ways from immigration control to controversial restrictions on births......With future tech such as the anti aging technologies we are close to making breakthroughs on we are likely to need something.....our population is rocketing and the world's population is generally.

There are underground cities or even further in the future floating ones.

But feeding this human expansion is going to be another problem.....again....technology will answer that or it's going to be horrible.

Lovely.
Births are already being controlled but the effects won't be see for a couple of centuries and by then the population will be near 20 billion.

We will need a lot moe fresh water and food but can you imgine a population of triple what it is now co existing?
War, famine, disease on an a scale never seen before.

 

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Originally posted by sitdownstandup

There's more than bean burgers that vegans can eat.
Wagamamas have their own vegan menu, Pizza hut have vegan pizzas now as does zizzi's. Even Mcdonalds produced a vegan burger (out in sweden.) Sainsbury's have an increasing vegan range and Tesco's have appointed a head of vegan products. So yeah as the range of products and ease of purchase increases so will the number of vegans.


Edited by sitdownstandup (07 Jan 2018 2.36pm)

Veganism has its place in the marketplace of ideas.

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Online Flag 07 Jan 18 2.51pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

I think sooner or later a pandemic will resolve this. The classic problem of an expanding world population thats increasingly moving across borders - Sooner or later we'll be looking at a Spainish Flu equivilant, or worse. Spainish Flu killed 50m people world wide, in an era where mass transport and rapid transport was next to non-existant. In the modern age, something like that, could be spreading thoughout the world in days rather than weeks, rendering any attempt at quarentine redundent.

That's only a temporary resolving.....and not a particularly good method neither.

Edited by Stirlingsays (07 Jan 2018 2.51pm)

 

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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Lovely.
Births are already being controlled but the effects won't be see for a couple of centuries and by then the population will be near 20 billion.

We will need a lot moe fresh water and food but can you imgine a population of triple what it is now co existing?
War, famine, disease on an a scale never seen before.


A species will expand until limited by its environment.....what can I say....it's a factor of our success like increased life expectancy......we could ask older people to die off like they did before medical advances but I don't think that will be popular.

In the short terms this is an issue that this country could sort out with immigration and birth restriction.

Underground cities eh......at least the house prices should be cheaper.

 

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Originally posted by jamiemartin721

I think sooner or later a pandemic will resolve this. The classic problem of an expanding world population thats increasingly moving across borders - Sooner or later we'll be looking at a Spainish Flu equivilant, or worse. Spainish Flu killed 50m people world wide, in an era where mass transport and rapid transport was next to non-existant. In the modern age, something like that, could be spreading thoughout the world in days rather than weeks, rendering any attempt at quarentine redundent.


The only long term answer is birth control. Pandemics are only a temporary, although a 50% reduction in population would help in the short term.

 

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Originally posted by Stirlingsays


A species will expand until limited by its environment.....what can I say....it's a factor of our success like increased life expectancy......we could ask older people to die off like they did before medical advances but I don't think that will be popular.

In the short terms this is an issue that this country could sort out with immigration and birth restriction.

Underground cities eh......at least the house prices should be cheaper.

I believe that has already started in the posh parts of London.

 

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 07 Jan 18 3.03pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

That's only a temporary resolving.....and not a particularly good method neither.

Edited by Stirlingsays (07 Jan 2018 2.51pm)

Well on a reasonable, objective scale, its resetting the clock. Something reasonable virulent like flu/cold virus, airborne and with a medium incubation period, could end up infecting 50-75% of the worlds population and probably killing a further 50-75% of those infected.

Of course we need a more reasonable solution. I'd suggest that randomly steralising say 80% of the worlds population might resolve the situation within a generation - without actually killing anyone.

Of course now were in 'Utopia' terrotory

 


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