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Take a loan out to work a sh*t job that will never be able to repay it, add onto that let a deadbeat impregnate you and leave you with the child and the expenses that go along with that.

Whats the word? Responsibility?

 

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View Midlands Eagle's Profile Midlands Eagle Flag 10 Jan 18 4.58pm Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

The article said "A few months later, Sarah and her boyfriend broke up. The debt, and all of Max’s expenses, were on her."

Why were all of the expenses on her? Don't absentee fathers contribute in USA?

 

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View Sheks Crows Eye's Profile Sheks Crows Eye Flag Virginia 10 Jan 18 5.04pm Send a Private Message to Sheks Crows Eye Add Sheks Crows Eye as a friend

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

The article said "A few months later, Sarah and her boyfriend broke up. The debt, and all of Max’s expenses, were on her."

Why were all of the expenses on her? Don't absentee fathers contribute in USA?

For one reason or the other she's not gone through the courts to get child support payments.

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 10 Jan 18 5.24pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Reading her story what rings true to me is the difference between what a student thinks a degree can get them...even a masters and what the reality is.

A Master's degree in the US is a massive investment and it's a risk. It really matters what it's a masters in and what the market supports.....Some will benefit, if they are bright and lucky enough and some won't and the hard luck stories are aplenty.

The cost to gain these qualifications is a bit of a scam.....a lot of the reasons people succeed is to do with the connections they have....the qualifications are just one side of the equation.

But in truth society lies to a lot of these students about how hard it is to gain success unless you come from a monied background. You need to choose the correct professions and limit how much debt you gain....some won't listen.

You can do it from the bottom....but choosing professions that don't contain healthy standard incomes often makes me think about their common sense at the beginning.....they listen to too many people talking warm words.

He she is hoping that she can get on a government programme that will dismiss her debts after seven years.....so in other words....she needs a handout.

Then you get the bad choice of mate and getting knocked up hard luck stories.....sometimes it genuinely is bad luck and other times they just make bad decisions.....because they aren't that sensible to begin with.

But you are automatically expected to have sympathy.....life is hard knocks love.....You took some debatable decisions and risks.....and are now looking for the state to help you with debts.

Mmmmm.

Also, yesterday I was having to hear a lot of nonsense about 'white privilege'......well, this is the reality....it's a sh1t sandwich for many people regardless of skin colour and if this women were black I know doubt the usual suspects would be saying it was in part due to that.


Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Jan 2018 5.45pm)

 


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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 10 Jan 18 5.47pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

In principle I am in favour of a scheme like this for the UK. It is crazy that we are crying out for people in the NHS like nurses and yet putting them off by saddling them with debt.

I think if you are a doctor / nurse etc. and are prepared to work in the NHS for say 5 years then at the end we should forgive your student debt. I would also extend that to degrees for other occupations that we desperately need filling.

Corbyn wants free education for everyone I would target taxpayer money for the benefit of the country. If you want to do a degree in media studies fair enough but don't expect taxpayers to help you out.

 


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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 10 Jan 18 6.32pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

In principle I am in favour of a scheme like this for the UK. It is crazy that we are crying out for people in the NHS like nurses and yet putting them off by saddling them with debt.

I think if you are a doctor / nurse etc. and are prepared to work in the NHS for say 5 years then at the end we should forgive your student debt. I would also extend that to degrees for other occupations that we desperately need filling.

Corbyn wants free education for everyone I would target taxpayer money for the benefit of the country. If you want to do a degree in media studies fair enough but don't expect taxpayers to help you out.

You raise an interesting area......though this is taxpayer money that plenty will turn around and say....why isn't the market incentivizing if these jobs are important?

But then again, we have a health service that is taxpayer funded and it is certainly true that counting pennies isn't an investment in talent for the future.

In very limited areas I think it's not a bad idea......Instead of stealing ready made talent from aboard and contributing to their brain drains this country should be investing into important professionals here already.

However, that isn't excusing risky decisions that people take like this women. If the market doesn't exist to repay your debts.....what on earth are you doing? Massive debt and then....'oh, I don't like teaching'.....that's one low powered lightbulb who's now relying on the state to help save her situation.

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Originally posted by Badger11

In principle I am in favour of a scheme like this for the UK. It is crazy that we are crying out for people in the NHS like nurses and yet putting them off by saddling them with debt.

I think if you are a doctor / nurse etc. and are prepared to work in the NHS for say 5 years then at the end we should forgive your student debt.

I agree.

My wife qualified as a nurse about 14 years ago and during her training she received a bursary without which she wouldn't have been able to afford it as I had just been made redundant.

Since then the system has changed and rather than a bursary trainee nurses have to fund their own qualification with the help of loans if necessary.

Whilst this system may work with university degrees which supposedly lead to higher paid jobs a nurse has to repay her loan out of fairly miserly wage levels and that is one of the major reasons for the lack of British qualified nurses coming through


 

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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

I agree.

My wife qualified as a nurse about 14 years ago and during her training she received a bursary without which she wouldn't have been able to afford it as I had just been made redundant.

Since then the system has changed and rather than a bursary trainee nurses have to fund their own qualification with the help of loans if necessary.

Whilst this system may work with university degrees which supposedly lead to higher paid jobs a nurse has to repay her loan out of fairly miserly wage levels and that is one of the major reasons for the lack of British qualified nurses coming through


Absolutely.

 

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View becky's Profile becky Flag over the moon 11 Jan 18 10.38am Send a Private Message to becky Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add becky as a friend

Originally posted by Sheks Crows Eye

For one reason or the other she's not gone through the courts to get child support payments.

Probably because, as the article says, she is on an income related repayment scheme. Therefore anything that she gets off him will seemingly go to pay off a comensurate increase in the loan repayments.

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