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...and he's now been arrested on suspicion of Murder....

What are peoples thoughts on defending your own property and self defence in the home leading to the death of the perp?

Edited by Lyons550 (04 Apr 2018 12.00pm)

 


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View topcat's Profile topcat Flag Holmesdale / Surbiton 04 Apr 18 12.02pm Send a Private Message to topcat Add topcat as a friend

It's sensible to arrest him until the full facts are known. The BBC article is thin on facts so it is difficult to comment further on this case.

However, generally, I think anyone should be able to defend themselves and their property but it shouldn't give them the right to murder someone.

 


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View Buckspalace's Profile Buckspalace Flag Thornborough 04 Apr 18 12.07pm Send a Private Message to Buckspalace Add Buckspalace as a friend

Yes need to get the facts but if the intruder was not there in the first place up to no good then this would never have happened so to a certain extent brought it on themselves.

 

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View Midlands Eagle's Profile Midlands Eagle Flag 04 Apr 18 12.15pm Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Murder will never stick but manslaughter may depending on the facts but in view of the fact that the homeowner was 78 I can see him getting off whatever he is charged with.

I am a hardliner on the subject of burglary and believe that stabbing a burglar should be allowed

 

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View IMpalace's Profile IMpalace Flag London 04 Apr 18 12.37pm Send a Private Message to IMpalace Add IMpalace as a friend

Thought of someone being charged for defending their home doesn't sit well with me.

Unless you can prove that killing/injuring the burglar was completely unnecessary i.e. you already had him tied up or locked in a room with all your family safely outside then I struggle to see why you should convict someone.


 

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View Bexley Eagle's Profile Bexley Eagle Flag Bexley Kent 04 Apr 18 12.44pm Send a Private Message to Bexley Eagle Add Bexley Eagle as a friend

IMP I agree 100%.

 

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View npn's Profile npn Flag Crowborough 04 Apr 18 12.45pm Send a Private Message to npn Add npn as a friend

self defence doesn't give you carte blanche to kill someone (the farmer who shot a burglar running a way from his property, for instance, while I sympathise, was stretching the definition). However, in this case, from the little the BBC have said so far, he's surely unlikely to be charged (2 burglars, armed with a screwdriver, force him into the kitchen where the knives are = "oh dear, how sad, never mind"

 

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View IMpalace's Profile IMpalace Flag London 04 Apr 18 1.00pm Send a Private Message to IMpalace Add IMpalace as a friend

Originally posted by npn

self defence doesn't give you carte blanche to kill someone (the farmer who shot a burglar running a way from his property, for instance, while I sympathise, was stretching the definition). However, in this case, from the little the BBC have said so far, he's surely unlikely to be charged (2 burglars, armed with a screwdriver, force him into the kitchen where the knives are = "oh dear, how sad, never mind"


Agreed, although it's hard to know where that line stands. It seems completely unreasonable to me to judge these cases in the cold light of day when people are likely to act extremely irrationally when someone has invaded their home and they feel they or their family are threatened. Difficult one. With the very limited facts presented so far, feel strongly that the guy in this case should walk free.

 

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View Forest Hillbilly's Profile Forest Hillbilly Flag in a hidey-hole 04 Apr 18 1.35pm Send a Private Message to Forest Hillbilly Add Forest Hillbilly as a friend

Originally posted by IMpalace

Thought of someone being charged for defending their home doesn't sit well with me.

Unless you can prove that killing/injuring the burglar was completely unnecessary i.e. you already had him tied up or locked in a room with all your family safely outside then I struggle to see why you should convict someone.



You sum up my thoughts, based on the information released by the police so far
One of the intruders was armed with a screwdriver, and this would reasonably constitute a threat, based on the fact he was on someone elses property and had confronted the owner.

The media wording is kind of inflammatory. For example, when Islamic State murdered unarmed hostages, it was described as 'executions'.
Now this pensioner is potentially being charged with murder.
I trust truth and justice will eventually prevail, and this wasn't a case of two gas engineers on an emergency call-out.

 


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View Stuk's Profile Stuk Flag Top half 04 Apr 18 1.51pm Send a Private Message to Stuk Add Stuk as a friend

Comes home to find two blokes half his age in the middle of a burglary and then gets threatened by at least one of them.

Shouldn't be charged with anything. The second intruder should go to jail and think himself lucky.

 


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View jimruss's Profile jimruss Flag Sidcup 04 Apr 18 2.14pm Send a Private Message to jimruss Add jimruss as a friend

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Murder will never stick but manslaughter may depending on the facts but in view of the fact that the homeowner was 78 I can see him getting off whatever he is charged with.

I am a hardliner on the subject of burglary and believe that stabbing a burglar should be allowed

Absolutely.

If someone breaks into your property as far as I'm concerned they are fair game, if they get hurt or worse then so be it.

 

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My wife’s grand parents used to live in a ground floor flat on a council estate in Tulse Hill, everyone used to worry about them, but her grandad was a proper ‘harry brown’ he used to say ‘if anyone gets in here I’ll kill the b******, what they gonna do, put me away for life?? At my age I could be in me box anyway time they get round to it’

Good luck to this old boy

 

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