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Tickled pink Flag Cornwall 29 Apr 19 2.21am Send a Private Message to Tickled pink Add Tickled pink as a friend

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Originally posted by NickinOX

No better. Really?

Premier league games this season.

Hennessey: Games 18; Clean sheets 5; Wins 4; Draws 3; Losses 11

Guaita: Games 18; Clean sheets 7; Wins 8; Draws 4; Losses 6

Let's also not ignore that Hennessey had our first choice center halves in front of him for most of his games too.

Hennessey has improved, but he’s simply not as good. Furthermore, with Guaita in goal we have a very good record in the division.

Guaita holds the defence together a lot tighter because they can rely on him although he gets very carried away the other way round when he can't rely on them to clear the ball ..Watford cup game springs to mind, he is easily good enough for us especially with a stronger line in front of him.

Hennessey lacks confidence too often and is very indecisive in the one place where you don't need it sorry to say.

 

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CT GUY-BIGBALD EAGLE Flag bloomfield 29 Apr 19 2.24am Send a Private Message to CT GUY-BIGBALD EAGLE Add CT GUY-BIGBALD EAGLE as a friend

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Them numbers dont lie brother!

Originally posted by NickinOX

I just looked it up. Guaita has played 17.5 league games this season and conceded 16 goals. Transfermarkt credits Wayne's two goals conceded against watford to Guaita.

Taking out the half game (against Watford) which we were winning (Watford scored two after Guaita went off the pitch), we have gained 28 points with him in goal in 17 games. 1.6 ppg.

Hennessey has played 17.5 games and conceded 28 goals, mostly behind our first choice defence. We have won 15 points with Hennessey in goal in 17.5 games. .86 ppg


Edited by NickinOX (28 Apr 2019 10.51pm)

 

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kennybrowns leftfoot Flag Reigate 29 Apr 19 4.50am Send a Private Message to kennybrowns leftfoot Add kennybrowns leftfoot as a friend

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Originally posted by Tlsestu

He's only played 18 games in his first season in the premership, even De Gea took time to settle in. I'm not sure if he has had to deal with so many aerial balls in Spanish football but with more experience and coaching his all round game will improve

Yeah I agree with this.. I can actually remember De Gea being quite poor at first.. Its fair to say now hes one of the best goalkeepers in the world.
I'm not trying to say Guaita will be that to but I think he will be fine.. I like him and think he looks class... Also he has that mental look about him that most keepers have and I like that!!

 


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ARGILE OLD GEEZER Flag PORTIMAO 29 Apr 19 7.25am Send a Private Message to ARGILE OLD GEEZER Add ARGILE OLD GEEZER as a friend

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Originally posted by Willo

A very impressive shot stopper but not commanding when the ball is in the air.

Reminds me of a certain Argentinian, but i think a better shot stopper, IMHO

 

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ARGILE OLD GEEZER Flag PORTIMAO 29 Apr 19 7.26am Send a Private Message to ARGILE OLD GEEZER Add ARGILE OLD GEEZER as a friend

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Originally posted by ARGILE OLD GEEZER

Reminds me of a certain Argentinian, but i think a better shot stopper, IMHO

The Argentinian i mean is better.

 

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Tickled pink Flag Cornwall 29 Apr 19 8.47am Send a Private Message to Tickled pink Add Tickled pink as a friend

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Originally posted by Painter

When have we ever had a keeper, that is commanding coming for crosses in recent memory.

Those keepers belong further up the table or wouldn't last long with us, think you'll find the last team we played took our last one.

 

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gerry theagle Flag newbury 29 Apr 19 9.29am Send a Private Message to gerry theagle Add gerry theagle as a friend

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Even great keepers can be prone to errors, De Gae cost Utd two points yesterday with an awful one.As I said earlier no keeper is perfect Guita is certainly good enough for us.

 

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gerry theagle Flag newbury 29 Apr 19 9.32am Send a Private Message to gerry theagle Add gerry theagle as a friend

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Apologies Vicente, should be Guaita.

 

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PZ Eagle Flag Penzance 29 Apr 19 9.46am Send a Private Message to PZ Eagle Add PZ Eagle as a friend

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Originally posted by NickinOX

I just looked it up. Guaita has played 17.5 league games this season and conceded 16 goals. Transfermarkt credits Wayne's two goals conceded against watford to Guaita.

Taking out the half game (against Watford) which we were winning (Watford scored two after Guaita went off the pitch), we have gained 28 points with him in goal in 17 games. 1.6 ppg.

Hennessey has played 17.5 games and conceded 28 goals, mostly behind our first choice defence. We have won 15 points with Hennessey in goal in 17.5 games. .86 ppg


Edited by NickinOX (28 Apr 2019 10.51pm)

Goals conceded don't mean diddley squat when comparing goalkeepers records. For instance Arsenal, Man Utd and Watford have conceded more goals than us, Are you or anyone else seriously suggesting that either of our keepers is better than De Gea or even Ben Foster come to that? Remember Sunderland's woeful record when they were relegated but they got £30 mil for their keeper.

 


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cryrst Flag The garden of England 29 Apr 19 10.22am Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

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Originally posted by PZ Eagle

Goals conceded don't mean diddley squat when comparing goalkeepers records. For instance Arsenal, Man Utd and Watford have conceded more goals than us, Are you or anyone else seriously suggesting that either of our keepers is better than De Gea or even Ben Foster come to that? Remember Sunderland's woeful record when they were relegated but they got £30 mil for their keeper.

But VG is better than WH though
Got to admit that PZ
The defence panic at times generally but with wayne it seemed a lot more than with VG.
Think we got a goodun and hopefully he can get better with crosses.
Dean k will train with him in the close season as didnt get that chance for a full one before.
He does go low some times but a majority of shots are below head height so there must be a logic to it.

 

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cpj Flag Kent 29 Apr 19 11.30am Send a Private Message to cpj Add cpj as a friend

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Originally posted by PZ Eagle

Goals conceded don't mean diddley squat when comparing goalkeepers records. For instance Arsenal, Man Utd and Watford have conceded more goals than us, Are you or anyone else seriously suggesting that either of our keepers is better than De Gea or even Ben Foster come to that? Remember Sunderland's woeful record when they were relegated but they got £30 mil for their keeper.

Exactly this. You can't compare based purely on stats as the opposition are different, shots are of differing quality. Also, when WH was in goal we had Ayew up front with Sorloth as backup. Now we have Bats and Benteke so of course we are winning more. Nor can people keep saying that the defence trust VG more - there is absiolutely no proof of that. Indeed, PVA's loss of form has coincided with VG being in goal so is that his fault? I've seen Luka have a go at VG several times during games for his poor distribution.

Earlier in the season when we lost to Wolves, WH was vilified on here for letting in a drive at his near post - VG has let 3 in like that in recent games when he has gone down on his knees - a definite technical flaw in his game. I'm not saying that WH is much better - he has let in a few this season that should have been stopped (Burnely and Watford spring to mind) but VG is no better - in my opinion.

 

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NickinOX Flag Sailing country. 29 Apr 19 11.36am Send a Private Message to NickinOX Add NickinOX as a friend

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Originally posted by PZ Eagle

Goals conceded don't mean diddley squat when comparing goalkeepers records. For instance Arsenal, Man Utd and Watford have conceded more goals than us, Are you or anyone else seriously suggesting that either of our keepers is better than De Gea or even Ben Foster come to that? Remember Sunderland's woeful record when they were relegated but they got £30 mil for their keeper.


Where did I claim either was better than Pickford or de Gea? Stop deflecting. Had De Gea, Pickford, etc., played for the same team in the same season and behind the same defence, then that would be a fair basis for comparison, however good or bad that defence was. If Pickford and De Gea each played 17.5 games for Palace this season it would be reasonable to compare their record. That would be common sense, especially if one took into account the fact that one of them had a first choice defence and the other didn’t.

I compared two keepers playing the same number of league games this season for the same club. One had a first choice defence in front of him most of the time, the other did not. That is a reasonable basis for comparison and the differences are striking.

 


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