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View twist's Profile twist Flag Miami, Florida 28 Apr 18 12.23pm Send a Private Message to twist Add twist as a friend

Alfie is gone, RIP.

But i am blown away by this. I have been following the story, and that someone other than Alfie's parents got to decide "what was best for Alfie" is just wrong. They should have been allowed to take him to Italy.

How different is this to a country like Cuba, where the state decides what happens to your children ?


OOPS i manage to put this is the wrong forum.

Edited by twist (28 Apr 2018 12.24pm)

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 28 Apr 18 1.44pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by twist

Alfie is gone, RIP.

But i am blown away by this. I have been following the story, and that someone other than Alfie's parents got to decide "what was best for Alfie" is just wrong. They should have been allowed to take him to Italy.

How different is this to a country like Cuba, where the state decides what happens to your children ?


OOPS i manage to put this is the wrong forum.

Edited by twist (28 Apr 2018 12.24pm)

Very sad all for all concerned.

Since the case where the family wanted Proton radiation and were proved right it seems that more and more people are fighting the NHS without necessarily having the facts to back their case.

The similar case where the doctor in the USA claimed he could help for example. I have a doctor friend who told me her reading was that the baby was brain dead. The parents understandably told all sorts of lies to the court about their child's condition. The US doctor who held the copyright to "the cure" hadn't even examined the patient and when he did surprise surprise he couldn't help just as the NHS had said all along.

We all know that doctors get it wrong but when a patient has been examined by different doctors who draw the same conclusions it's not a conspiracy. What treatment was the hospital in Italy suggesting and why did the NHS not do the same? Or was the hospital actually proposing to make the child comfortable and then pray for a miracle!

The actions of the so called supporters were disgusting and just gave the family false hope whilst impacting the running of the hospital.

I cannot imagine the pain the family are going through but a court reviewed the case in far more detail than is known to the public and decided very reluctantly that the hospital's actions were correct.

By all means challenge treatment if you think it wrong but blind faith and wishful thinking should be left with your church.

 


One more point

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View rob1969's Profile rob1969 Flag Banstead Surrey 28 Apr 18 2.25pm Send a Private Message to rob1969 Add rob1969 as a friend

I feel the greatest sympathy for any parent loosing a child, particularly those many hundreds, maybe thousands, who do so each year without the ‘support’ of the ‘popular’ press and the supporters that such publicity seems to attracts, and of course ,without raising large sums of money.

 

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View Mr_Gristle's Profile Mr_Gristle Flag In the land of Whelk Eaters 28 Apr 18 4.02pm Send a Private Message to Mr_Gristle Add Mr_Gristle as a friend

Badger - spot on, 100% agree.

Rob - you bitter cynic.....but spot on too.

 


Well I think Simon's head is large; always involved in espionage. (Name that tune)

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View twist's Profile twist Flag Miami, Florida 29 Apr 18 2.21am Send a Private Message to twist Add twist as a friend

My nephew was diagnosed with a brain tumor when he was six. Told it was inoperable and was given the option of a comfortable bed in a hospice or support at home for when he passed.

Of course, his parents did not accept that. They went to see several doctors, all said the same thing. They turned to homeopathy and today, aged 20, hes big and strong.

My question was, what gives the state or the hospital the right to dictate to the parents, when they give up on their child ?

 

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View becky's Profile becky Flag over the moon 29 Apr 18 8.38am Send a Private Message to becky Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add becky as a friend

Originally posted by twist

My nephew was diagnosed with a brain tumor when he was six. Told it was inoperable and was given the option of a comfortable bed in a hospice or support at home for when he passed.

Of course, his parents did not accept that. They went to see several doctors, all said the same thing. They turned to homeopathy and today, aged 20, hes big and strong.

My question was, what gives the state or the hospital the right to dictate to the parents, when they give up on their child ?

What gives the courts the right is acting in the best interests of the child, separate from the emotion and involvement of either the parents or the medics.

His condition was a previously unknown brain disease which is why it doesn't even have a name for diagnosis, and he was already clinically classed as brain dead. Scans had shown that 70% of his brain had dissolved to fluid already when the hospital sought permission from the courts to turn off the life support.

Even the specialist who flew over from the Vatican hospital (along with all the others who examined him) agreed that the child could not be saved - only have his bodily existence prolonged by being kept on ventilation with a feeding tube until such time as the last remaining 30% of his brain turned to fluid, as 70% had already done. They also agreed that transferring him by aircraft could cause him to convulse, possibly fatally.

It was the Catholic religious group legal advisors who kept on and on making the family appeal - and whilst not all evidence presented to the courts was made public, the three tiers of the British judiciary as well as the European courts all agreed, several times each, that moving him was not in the child's best interests.

 

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View Forest Hillbilly's Profile Forest Hillbilly Flag in a hidey-hole 29 Apr 18 6.52pm Send a Private Message to Forest Hillbilly Add Forest Hillbilly as a friend

My dad was kept alive because of legal requirements for a terminal disease. Kept alive for 3 weeks of suffering.

his dog was put-down some 5 years later, because it was the 'humane thing to do'.

work it out.

And Alfie's supporters of life have released hundred of plastic balloons into the environment.
Well done you tw ats. Lets kill some other stuff in the environment.

But it's the meeja that creates this stuff. Just don't buy into it

 


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Brentmiester_General Flag Front line in the battle against t... 29 Apr 18 8.08pm

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

My dad was kept alive because of legal requirements for a terminal disease. Kept alive for 3 weeks of suffering.

his dog was put-down some 5 years later, because it was the 'humane thing to do'.

work it out.

And Alfie's supporters of life have released hundred of plastic balloons into the environment.
Well done you tw ats. Lets kill some other stuff in the environment.

But it's the meeja that creates this stuff. Just don't buy into it

Spot on. It’s a very sad story of which there will be many sad, sometimes similar cases happening up and down the country every day. This story just caught the attention of the media and then the red top reading angry mob latch onto as it gives them something to rage about.

 


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View Stuk's Profile Stuk Flag Top half 29 Apr 18 10.43pm Send a Private Message to Stuk Add Stuk as a friend

Originally posted by Brentmiester_General

Spot on. It’s a very sad story of which there will be many sad, sometimes similar cases happening up and down the country every day. This story just caught the attention of the media and then the red top reading angry mob latch onto as it gives them something to rage about.

Agree with you both and Badger's initial post too. They have cost the NHS millions in all likelyhood as I alluded to in the does politics f*** with your head thread. Appealed at every level and lost everyone whilst encouraged to do so with free, religiously biased, legal "advice".

 


Optimistic as ever

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View CPFC1965's Profile CPFC1965 Flag Warrington 30 Apr 18 12.53am Send a Private Message to CPFC1965 Add CPFC1965 as a friend

No doctor will condemn a child to death if there was a known cure for the condition... unfortunately nature has taken its course. My heart goes out to the parents but it should not have got turned into the circus that it has become. Lessons must be learned from all this.

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag Wisbech, England 30 Apr 18 1.16am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

These cases cut me up.

 

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