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View martin2412's Profile martin2412 Flag The Big Wide World 01 Jun 20 7.56pm Send a Private Message to martin2412 Add martin2412 as a friend

Originally posted by DanH

It's about equality. No separation. No one paying more than anyone else because of skin colour. No different rules because of skin colour. Everyone treated the same by society.

There is no crime in being white and being proud of where you are from and who you are. But no one should ever take for granted how much of a leg up it is.

Not if you want a job at the BBC it ain't, and if you're straight and male you've got no chance.

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag Chatham 01 Jun 20 8.09pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Dont see many complaints about the racism against whites in africa. Positive discrimination over jobs and housing. If you are white you are bottom of every list. I suppose some would see it as levelling the playing field of bollox.

 

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View Matov's Profile Matov Flag 01 Jun 20 8.23pm Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Originally posted by serial thriller

I mean, I'm not a member of BLM so I guess they're better placed to answer that. I found this on their website: [Link] but it's pretty general.

You would imagine it would involve: more rigorous discipline for police found guilty of unfairly targeting black people. End the nonsensical prison industrial complex in the US. Invest in the historically deprived areas where black people disproportionately live. Outlaw the Klan?

I think there's little that's too unreasonable in that.

Edited by serial thriller (01 Jun 2020 6.51pm)

All that link says is 'defund the police'. Does that mean they want no police in black areas?

More investment, that I get but outlawing the Klan? How big is the KKK these days? Is that much of a problem?

 

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View serial thriller's Profile serial thriller Flag The Promised Land 01 Jun 20 8.32pm Send a Private Message to serial thriller Add serial thriller as a friend

Originally posted by martin2412

Not if you want a job at the BBC it ain't, and if you're straight and male you've got no chance.

every single director general of the BBC has been straight and white. The current incumbent is Lord Hall, Baron of Birkenhead.

Probably just a coincidence.

 


If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4

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View serial thriller's Profile serial thriller Flag The Promised Land 01 Jun 20 8.42pm Send a Private Message to serial thriller Add serial thriller as a friend

Originally posted by Matov

All that link says is 'defund the police'. Does that mean they want no police in black areas?

More investment, that I get but outlawing the Klan? How big is the KKK these days? Is that much of a problem?

As I say I'm no member so don't feel I'm the person who should be outlining this.

My more general point though is that diplomacy and attempts at peaceful resolution are being overridden by a knee-jerk tendency to assert the violent authority of the state. I would argue that this seems to be a theme of what you could call the populist right, be it Trumps dealings with China, or the Brexit negotiations.

My question is, in the long run, is this the best path to achieve the goals you are aiming for? Is Trump making America great again by turning the army on his own citizens? Wouldn't it be better to offer them jobs and a future?

 


If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4

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View Tom-the-eagle's Profile Tom-the-eagle Flag Croydon 01 Jun 20 8.52pm Send a Private Message to Tom-the-eagle Add Tom-the-eagle as a friend

Originally posted by serial thriller

As I say I'm no member so don't feel I'm the person who should be outlining this.

My more general point though is that diplomacy and attempts at peaceful resolution are being overridden by a knee-jerk tendency to assert the violent authority of the state. I would argue that this seems to be a theme of what you could call the populist right, be it Trumps dealings with China, or the Brexit negotiations.

My question is, in the long run, is this the best path to achieve the goals you are aiming for? Is Trump making America great again by turning the army on his own citizens? Wouldn't it be better to offer them jobs and a future?


Possibly the biggest load of b@llocks I have ever read on here, and theres been a few.

People are using recent events to riot, savagely attacking innocent people, destroying homes and property and looting, and all you do is blame Trump and say that instead of trying to stop this by bringing in the army he should in fact miraculously overnight create jobs for these people and promise them a better future and somehow they will suddenly stop.

Half these looters will already have jobs!

I honestly wonder what planet some of the idiots on here live on!

Edited by Tom-the-eagle (01 Jun 2020 8.52pm)

 


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View matthau's Profile matthau Flag South Croydon 01 Jun 20 8.53pm Send a Private Message to matthau Add matthau as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

This guy gets it. Manipulation of the masses.

Me too.

#WWG1WGA

 

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View matthau's Profile matthau Flag South Croydon 01 Jun 20 8.55pm Send a Private Message to matthau Add matthau as a friend

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View Matov's Profile Matov Flag 01 Jun 20 9.01pm Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Originally posted by serial thriller


My question is, in the long run, is this the best path to achieve the goals you are aiming for? Is Trump making America great again by turning the army on his own citizens? Wouldn't it be better to offer them jobs and a future?

[Link]

Now I accept that Covid will impact on that, as it will for all sectors, but under Trump there appear to be record lows of unemployment for African-Americans.

What more can he do?

 

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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 01 Jun 20 9.53pm Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by DanH

It's about equality. No separation. No one paying more than anyone else because of skin colour. No different rules because of skin colour. Everyone treated the same by society.

There is no crime in being white and being proud of where you are from and who you are. But no one should ever take for granted how much of a leg up it is.

So how much of a leg up did I get for being white? Born and bred in Thornton Heath, both parents died when I was quite young, had to leave school at 16 to find a job to, basically live! Oh sorry I am white so must have had an advantage in life... absolute b****ks you are spouting

 

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View serial thriller's Profile serial thriller Flag The Promised Land 01 Jun 20 10.09pm Send a Private Message to serial thriller Add serial thriller as a friend

Originally posted by Matov

[Link]

Now I accept that Covid will impact on that, as it will for all sectors, but under Trump there appear to be record lows of unemployment for African-Americans.

What more can he do?

Yeah fair point.

I guess my argument has to be a bit broader. Most of us have lived through an era of uninterrupted growth in inequality, where social provisions and median income has consistently been dropping, and an ever tinier minority have been accumulating more and more wealth with very little pushback.

Now this is true in every country, but in America it is magnified. And it obviously impacts disproportionately the groups already struggling to keep up financially, which in America is heavily racialised. America has blended an economic ideology of low tax, unlimited freedom to accumulate wealth and a stripped back state with an uneasy nationalist ideology that has always had race as an inherent contradiction at its heart. First, the nation was built on the wealth accumulated from slavery. Second, freed slaves paid reparations to slave owners, preserving the latter's wealth, and retaining a two tier justice system through segregation. Now the remnants of that system are more subtly in place: a prison industrial complex, where for committing 3 minor crimes you are effectively imprisoned for life and made to work for nothing for corporations. Where the land remains in the hands of those who originally accumulated it through racial exploitation, and continue to make wealth through prohibitive rents on communities with high African American populations. And most commonly overlooked, there remains a dynastic and very solid segment within the Republican party of families with links to white nationalist organisations.

Now in this context, Trump is merely a continuation of the trend. I find it bizarre when you see videos like the one posted above as if his premiership marks the turning point of corruption, criminality and wealth controlling politics. But he also just so happens to be the President in charge when the tinderbox of mass unemployment has been lit. The question now is, what does he do? At the minute, he is reaching for violence, but what is needed, what has always been needed, is a radical reformulation of the things I've outlined, because they are the reason people talk about structural racism in the US.

 


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View croydon proud's Profile croydon proud Flag croydon 01 Jun 20 10.17pm Send a Private Message to croydon proud Add croydon proud as a friend

Originally posted by serial thriller

every single director general of the BBC has been straight and white. The current incumbent is Lord Hall, Baron of Birkenhead.

Probably just a coincidence.

Yeah, but besides them?...............

 

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