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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 07 Jun 20 11.06pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

Well that took a while

Focusing on the specific point of 'Where do we draw the line with erasing the past that offends a few irrational knuckleheads?

It's not erasing the past.

As for your new point above Ė you'd have to ask them. But to speculate, this particular statue had, from what can be read, already had several attempts at removal by the local community for the reasons well covered in previous posts.

Yet again I don't condone the manner of removal, but I see no issue in the concept of removal of a statue as contentious as this and replacing it with someone with more worth. I'd bet you'd be able to find someone from around the same time who was just as philanthropic but was nowhere near as odious. Or, simply, someone who had done more than just give money to good causes perhaps to mask their own guilt.

People always talk about 'well that's just how it was back then' as if no one at the time actually questioned the practice, in this instance, of slavery Ė everyone just went along with it because it was 'normal'. This is again, nonsense.

Anyway, back to the point at hand Ė As mentioned before, it's no different than replacing the celebrated figures on the front of banknotes. Simply persisting with the permanence of a statue 'because it's always been there' irrespective of what it represents is ridiculous. Societies and cultures should and are perfectly within their rights to re-evaluate the figures they choose to celebrate, anytime, anyplace.


We are not talking about the 'concept' of removing a statue or the permanence of monuments, we are talking about the destruction of public property by a mob.
I do find it funny when people try to make intellectual justifications about this and then say that they don't condone the illegality.
You can't have that cake and eat it old boy.

Fact is that there was no rational reason why anyone should tear down that statue and if someone objected to it they should have done it through the proper channels.
Killing this guys statue won't change history or alter the fact that slavery was considered legitimate in Britain 300 years ago. It is, as they say, History.

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag Chatham 07 Jun 20 11.15pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Its starts with the odd statue.
Then burning books whose content you dont like
Then smashing windows of people we dont like
That went well..........

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 07 Jun 20 11.22pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

BBC having second thoughts?

Earlier today their main headline read "Protestors removed statue..."

I was going to post on here that that was a disgusting headline considering it was an act of vandalism.

Anyway I didn't get the chance. Now I notice the headline read "Protestors tear down statue" a more accurate description. I wonder why it changed, did the new DG tell them ?

I have read some comments on here defending the actions of the protestors but I stand by my comments. Rather than commit an act of vandalism the protestors should be asking why Labour held Bristol City Council has not removed it if it so offensive to the people of Bristol.

For the record I don't care either way but if you allow this sort of thing to go unchallenged they will start attacking McDonald's or Starbucks next or the local offices of the Tory party or anything they don't like. There is no right to destroy property that way lies anarchy.

 


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View jeeagles's Profile jeeagles Flag 07 Jun 20 11.29pm Send a Private Message to jeeagles Add jeeagles as a friend

Been in split minds about this all day.

Obviously, bad people shouldn't have statues.

But I don't think it is something that we should forget about.

I've watched the Jeffrey Epstein documentary today. It shows how the rich and powerful get away with atrocious, especially if they are seen as philanthropist. A few good deeds can cover thousands of bad ones... same with Jimmy Savile.

The statue got me looking at what life in 17 Century England was like. Charles 1 on the throne, the Civil War, the knife and fork, upholstered furniture and poor people living in stone houses becoming common. Newton discovered his laws, expansion of grammar schools.

The industrial revolution hadnt started. No coal destroying the planet for everyone.

Hardly anyone was educated, the wealthy had almost all the power. We made a big change from Flash Cavaliers to sober Roundheads.

I think it should stay up. With an explanation of exactly what it is. People need to remember exactly how the slave trade started, what were the circumstances. Without a statue like that. I wouldnt have looked up all this. People need to know that history is complex.

 

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View DanH's Profile DanH Flag SW2 07 Jun 20 11.31pm Send a Private Message to DanH Add DanH as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

BBC having second thoughts?

Earlier today their main headline read "Protestors removed statue..."

I was going to post on here that that was a disgusting headline considering it was an act of vandalism.

Anyway I didn't get the chance. Now I notice the headline read "Protestors tear down statue" a more accurate description. I wonder why it changed, did the new DG tell them ?

I have read some comments on here defending the actions of the protestors but I stand by my comments. Rather than commit an act of vandalism the protestors should be asking why Labour held Bristol City Council has not removed it if it so offensive to the people of Bristol.

For the record I don't care either way but if you allow this sort of thing to go unchallenged they will start attacking McDonald's or Starbucks next or the local offices of the Tory party or anything they don't like. There is no right to destroy property that way lies anarchy.

If you read up on it there have been attempts to have it removed by the proper channels for years.

This isnít trying to erase history. Statues are meant to be for those to be idolised. If you are comfortable with a statue for someone who made a fortune out of slavery then that should really make you worry.

 


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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 07 Jun 20 11.32pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger


We are not talking about the 'concept' of removing a statue or the permanence of monuments, we are talking about the destruction of public property by a mob.
I do find it funny when people try to make intellectual justifications about this and then say that they don't condone the illegality.
You can't have that cake and eat it old boy.

Fact is that there was no rational reason why anyone should tear down that statue and if someone objected to it they should have done it through the proper channels.
Killing this guys statue won't change history or alter the fact that slavery was considered legitimate in Britain 300 years ago. It is, as they say, History.

There is a rational reason to tear down the statue celebrating someone who benefited massively from slavery and death. They had been trying for a number of years to have it removed. I heard about this years ago. Actually I forgot about it and thought it had been removed. If you ask most people, they wouldnít give a s*** about it. I e heard people from Bristol against the rioting but not concerned the statue has gone. If anything it holds the city back.

Again, the suggestion was a museum of slavery. 300 years ago and real oppression, not the so called oppression Iím hearing daily today, was real torture was awful then and awful now. Iíve never watched any documentaries or historical dramas on slavery and just thought it was legitimate then so thatís that. Keeping that statue up is like a Ďfvck you itís staying and youíre going to see it everydayí to black people. The stance of maintaining it should stay goes beyond principles of law and all that and starts to show prejudice. Itís the sort of thing Iíd expect in Mississippi in the Ď60s. Even if you had a dislike or whatever of black people itís not a great position to take to stand firm and say they must put up with the statue whatever and lump it. In general thereís going to have to be some compromises and meeting in the middle and standing firm on a slave traderís statue isnít the best start.

That said the batons shouldíve come out at Churchillís statue but the mistake was made not doing that when the police were attacked on Saturday. That developed probably because they sense the weakness from bending the knee and generally being pussies and not true police. Well I knew that anyway. Standing in chip shop queues I could probably take a few of them without batons. No wonder theyíre getting humiliated.

 


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View DanH's Profile DanH Flag SW2 07 Jun 20 11.33pm Send a Private Message to DanH Add DanH as a friend

Originally posted by jeeagles

Been in split minds about this all day.

Obviously, bad people shouldn't have statues.

But I don't think it is something that we should forget about.

I've watched the Jeffrey Epstein documentary today. It shows how the rich and powerful get away with atrocious, especially if they are seen as philanthropist. A few good deeds can cover thousands of bad ones... same with Jimmy Savile.

The statue got me looking at what life in 17 Century England was like. Charles 1 on the throne, the Civil War, the knife and fork, upholstered furniture and poor people living in stone houses becoming common. Newton discovered his laws, expansion of grammar schools.

The industrial revolution hadnt started. No coal destroying the planet for everyone.

Hardly anyone was educated, the wealthy had almost all the power. We made a big change from Flash Cavaliers to sober Roundheads.

I think it should stay up. With an explanation of exactly what it is. People need to remember exactly how the slave trade started, what were the circumstances. Without a statue like that. I wouldnt have looked up all this. People need to know that history is complex.

Put it in a museum, where history is documented and for people to learn. A statue suggests they have done something good and should be commemorated.

 


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View DanH's Profile DanH Flag SW2 07 Jun 20 11.34pm Send a Private Message to DanH Add DanH as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

There is a rational reason to tear down the statue celebrating someone who benefited massively from slavery and death. They had been trying for a number of years to have it removed. I heard about this years ago. Actually I forgot about it and thought it had been removed. If you ask most people, they wouldnít give a s*** about it. I e heard people from Bristol against the rioting but not concerned the statue has gone. If anything it holds the city back.

Again, the suggestion was a museum of slavery. 300 years ago and real oppression, not the so called oppression Iím hearing daily today, was real torture was awful then and awful now. Iíve never watched any documentaries or historical dramas on slavery and just thought it was legitimate then so thatís that. Keeping that statue up is like a Ďfvck you itís staying and youíre going to see it everydayí to black people. The stance of maintaining it should stay goes beyond principles of law and all that and starts to show prejudice. Itís the sort of thing Iíd expect in Mississippi in the Ď60s. Even if you had a dislike or whatever of black people itís not a great position to take to stand firm and say they must put up with the statue whatever and lump it. In general thereís going to have to be some compromises and meeting in the middle and standing firm on a slave traderís statue isnít the best start.

That said the batons shouldíve come out at Churchillís statue but the mistake was made not doing that when the police were attacked on Saturday. That developed probably because they sense the weakness from bending the knee and generally being pussies and not true police. Well I knew that anyway. Standing in chip shop queues I could probably take a few of them without batons. No wonder theyíre getting humiliated.

Agree with pretty much all of this.

 


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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 07 Jun 20 11.42pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by DanH

Put it in a museum, where history is documented and for people to learn. A statue suggests they have done something good and should be commemorated.

The statue was to commemorate his philanthropy toward various institutions in Bristol so he did do some good.

 

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View DanH's Profile DanH Flag SW2 07 Jun 20 11.47pm Send a Private Message to DanH Add DanH as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

The statue was to commemorate his philanthropy toward various institutions in Bristol so he did do some good.

So did Jimmy Savile.

 


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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 07 Jun 20 11.50pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

To be honest....left/right is less the issue when the Police are under mob attack. There are no doubt leftist anarchists in there but it's also going to be violent blm and a mix of anti police criminals there for the opportunity.

The Police are not paid to run away....get the women out and get the trunctions out.

The jokes you can make from that...

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag Chatham 07 Jun 20 11.53pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by DanH

So did Jimmy Savile.

I've still got his autograph somewhere from when I met him after doing a charity walk. Does that make me a peado sympathiser.

 

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