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View serial thriller's Profile serial thriller Flag The Promised Land 23 Jun 18 11.50am Send a Private Message to serial thriller Add serial thriller as a friend

Reading this article this morning, I was struck by a few quotes: [Link]

“The scale of the underlying domestic policy challenges which drove the Brexit vote – debt, deficit, housing, low growth and low disposable incomes – means that Brexit has to be recast as a catalyst for much bolder domestic policy renewal"

“Economic power has been concentrated in the hands of a few … crony capitalists have rigged the system in their favour … debt has fuelled growth in an unsustainable fashion… Our politics, culture and regulatory models have worked against innovation ... Many of our fellow citizens have seen less and less value placed on their work and themselves … communities and individuals have seen so much of what they value which is beyond economics … overlooked or ignored.”

These comments were not made by John McDonnell and Corbyn however. They were made by two prominent tories, George Freeman and Michael Gove, people thought to be key players in the future of the Conservative party.

This week, we have had a radical policy change from the government on the NHS, with tax rises expected to fund a new 200 billion pound increase in funding. Housing has also been targeted as an area requiring more government involvement, and Windrush has brought to light the racist policies of successive governments in the past few decades, something the government has been forced to acknowledge.

When Thatcher was once asked what her greatest achievement was, she said 'Tony Blair'. Is it possible that, given the recent tide turning, Jeremy Corbyn's political legacy will be dictating politics from the opposition benches?

 


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Tom-the-eagle Flag Croydon 23 Jun 18 12.04pm

Originally posted by serial thriller

Reading this article this morning, I was struck by a few quotes: [Link]

“The scale of the underlying domestic policy challenges which drove the Brexit vote – debt, deficit, housing, low growth and low disposable incomes – means that Brexit has to be recast as a catalyst for much bolder domestic policy renewal"

“Economic power has been concentrated in the hands of a few … crony capitalists have rigged the system in their favour … debt has fuelled growth in an unsustainable fashion… Our politics, culture and regulatory models have worked against innovation ... Many of our fellow citizens have seen less and less value placed on their work and themselves … communities and individuals have seen so much of what they value which is beyond economics … overlooked or ignored.”

These comments were not made by John McDonnell and Corbyn however. They were made by two prominent tories, George Freeman and Michael Gove, people thought to be key players in the future of the Conservative party.

This week, we have had a radical policy change from the government on the NHS, with tax rises expected to fund a new 200 billion pound increase in funding. Housing has also been targeted as an area requiring more government involvement, and Windrush has brought to light the racist policies of successive governments in the past few decades, something the government has been forced to acknowledge.

When Thatcher was once asked what her greatest achievement was, she said 'Tony Blair'. Is it possible that, given the recent tide turning, Jeremy Corbyn's political legacy will be dictating politics from the opposition benches?

Farage was the same. Never even an MP and yet he managed to sway the conservatives into holding an election.

 


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Originally posted by serial thriller

Reading this article this morning, I was struck by a few quotes: [Link]

“The scale of the underlying domestic policy challenges which drove the Brexit vote – debt, deficit, housing, low growth and low disposable incomes – means that Brexit has to be recast as a catalyst for much bolder domestic policy renewal"

“Economic power has been concentrated in the hands of a few … crony capitalists have rigged the system in their favour … debt has fuelled growth in an unsustainable fashion… Our politics, culture and regulatory models have worked against innovation ... Many of our fellow citizens have seen less and less value placed on their work and themselves … communities and individuals have seen so much of what they value which is beyond economics … overlooked or ignored.”

These comments were not made by John McDonnell and Corbyn however. They were made by two prominent tories, George Freeman and Michael Gove, people thought to be key players in the future of the Conservative party.

This week, we have had a radical policy change from the government on the NHS, with tax rises expected to fund a new 200 billion pound increase in funding. Housing has also been targeted as an area requiring more government involvement, and Windrush has brought to light the racist policies of successive governments in the past few decades, something the government has been forced to acknowledge.

When Thatcher was once asked what her greatest achievement was, she said 'Tony Blair'. Is it possible that, given the recent tide turning, Jeremy Corbyn's political legacy will be dictating politics from the opposition benches?

You must be kidding what about Universal Credit.

Policy on 'hostile environment' has not changed either.

The NHS 5 year settlement is less and taxpayers will pay not brexit.

 

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View matt_himself's Profile matt_himself Flag Matataland 23 Jun 18 12.25pm Send a Private Message to matt_himself Add matt_himself as a friend

Originally posted by serial thriller

Reading this article this morning, I was struck by a few quotes: [Link]

“The scale of the underlying domestic policy challenges which drove the Brexit vote – debt, deficit, housing, low growth and low disposable incomes – means that Brexit has to be recast as a catalyst for much bolder domestic policy renewal"

“Economic power has been concentrated in the hands of a few … crony capitalists have rigged the system in their favour … debt has fuelled growth in an unsustainable fashion… Our politics, culture and regulatory models have worked against innovation ... Many of our fellow citizens have seen less and less value placed on their work and themselves … communities and individuals have seen so much of what they value which is beyond economics … overlooked or ignored.”

These comments were not made by John McDonnell and Corbyn however. They were made by two prominent tories, George Freeman and Michael Gove, people thought to be key players in the future of the Conservative party.

This week, we have had a radical policy change from the government on the NHS, with tax rises expected to fund a new 200 billion pound increase in funding. Housing has also been targeted as an area requiring more government involvement, and Windrush has brought to light the racist policies of successive governments in the past few decades, something the government has been forced to acknowledge.

When Thatcher was once asked what her greatest achievement was, she said 'Tony Blair'. Is it possible that, given the recent tide turning, Jeremy Corbyn's political legacy will be dictating politics from the opposition benches?

No. Jeremy Corbyn’s legacy will be making Labour unelectable for a generation, following the insurgent rise of the ‘£3 Trot’ in the Party, forcing moderates out of what was once a broad church and appears now to be a cesspit of polarised hatred and anti semitism.

What Gove is saying is that the Credit Crunch highlighted flaws in the system which are still be understood and addressed.

If Corbyn was such a visionary or political genius, given the state of and the talent vacuum in the Conservative Party at present, he would be 20+ points ahead in the polls. However, people still will vote for the Tories because they have more credible credentials and leadership.

Edited by matt_himself (23 Jun 2018 12.26pm)

 


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View serial thriller's Profile serial thriller Flag The Promised Land 23 Jun 18 12.31pm Send a Private Message to serial thriller Add serial thriller as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

You must be kidding what about Universal Credit.

Policy on 'hostile environment' has not changed either.

The NHS 5 year settlement is less and taxpayers will pay not brexit.

I'm not saying that the Tories have u turned completely. What I would say is, rhetorically at least, they have broken from their faith in neoliberalism and in their absence of any coherent alternative strategy, they are clawing more and more from the Labour manifesto.

Whether that means we'll see May in a black beret holding the red flag any time soon is doubtful. But for a party who laughed at the idea that anything Corbyn said could be legitimate, it is at least cathartic.

 


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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 23 Jun 18 12.48pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by serial thriller

I'm not saying that the Tories have u turned completely. What I would say is, rhetorically at least, they have broken from their faith in neoliberalism and in their absence of any coherent alternative strategy, they are clawing more and more from the Labour manifesto.

Whether that means we'll see May in a black beret holding the red flag any time soon is doubtful. But for a party who laughed at the idea that anything Corbyn said could be legitimate, it is at least cathartic.

I am not sure I entirely agree with you but I accept your point. Occasionally politicians in and out of power move the goal posts. Attlee post war with nationalisation, the Tories supported this to some degree until Thatcher. Thatcher moved the goal posts again and Blair supported privatisation.

If the government (any government) of the day steals the clothes of the opposition doe they benefit? I am not sure they do. There is a perception that Labour are strong on the NHS, education, benefits, social care etc. but that they are weaker on crime, defence and the economy. The Tories are seen as the opposite.

However I read some research a few years back that suggested historically Labour spend more on crime and defence because they are seen as weak in that area and that the Tories actually sent more on areas where they were seen as weak. However politically it made no difference as the public still perceive the parties strengths and weakness whether that matches reality or not.

If May is trying to adopt Corbyn type policies for extra votes she may be wasting her time. It may be better to focus on core Tory issues even if she spent billions and billions on the NHS Labour voters who care about the NHS will not defect to the Tories.

 


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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 23 Jun 18 1.14pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

All he has achieved is proving how dim the Left are. His party has been taken over by clueless left wing extremeists who still believe in completely failed ideals.

 

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Brentmiester_General Flag Front line in the battle against t... 23 Jun 18 1.31pm

Originally posted by matt_himself

No. Jeremy Corbyn’s legacy will be making Labour unelectable for a generation, following the insurgent rise of the ‘£3 Trot’ in the Party, forcing moderates out of what was once a broad church and appears now to be a cesspit of polarised hatred and anti semitism.

What Gove is saying is that the Credit Crunch highlighted flaws in the system which are still be understood and addressed.

If Corbyn was such a visionary or political genius, given the state of and the talent vacuum in the Conservative Party at present, he would be 20+ points ahead in the polls. However, people still will vote for the Tories because they have more credible credentials and leadership.

Edited by matt_himself (23 Jun 2018 12.26pm)

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That's a year old.

 


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View serial thriller's Profile serial thriller Flag The Promised Land 23 Jun 18 1.40pm Send a Private Message to serial thriller Add serial thriller as a friend

I hear you Badger, but I think May is less consciously pursuing a coherent plan and more blindly trying to work out which way the wind is blowing.

Corbyn symbolises a departure from an economic orthodox which had remained in place, unchallenged in both major parties, since Kinnock took power of Labour. That his stance has been effective, I would argue, lies less in his own popularity than in the apparent influence it is now holding on Tory rhetoric.

I think Farage is actually a very fair comparison.

 


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Serial, why don't you actually go and live in a socialist country?

I hear house prices are quite cheap in Cuba and Venezuela.

 


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Serial, why don't you actually go and live in a socialist country?

I hear house prices are quite cheap in Cuba and Venezuela.

Quite right too socialism and affordable housing for the less well off.

just a simple tap in..........

 

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