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Brentmiester_General Flag Front line in the battle against t... 05 Jul 18 7.30am

Says Doug Stanhope. Very funny man.

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View dannyboy1978's Profile dannyboy1978 Flag croydon 05 Jul 18 7.49am Send a Private Message to dannyboy1978 Add dannyboy1978 as a friend

Humour for the lefties.

 

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View Mr Fenandes's Profile Mr Fenandes Flag 05 Jul 18 8.33am Send a Private Message to Mr Fenandes Add Mr Fenandes as a friend

Originally posted by dannyboy1978

Humour for the lefties.

Touchè! Take that Doug!!!!1111oneoneone

 

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Brentmiester_General Flag Front line in the battle against t... 05 Jul 18 9.52am

Originally posted by dannyboy1978

Humour for the lefties.

Just speaking the truth in a very humorous way. Can’t really argue with what he is saying can you?

 


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View Penge Eagle's Profile Penge Eagle Flag Beckenham 05 Jul 18 10.57am Send a Private Message to Penge Eagle Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Penge Eagle as a friend

There's good nationalism (cultural affiliation and ideas) and bad nationalism (race and class). Leftists and racists focus on the latter.

I view nationalism as Mo Farah on a lap of honour waving the Union flag, while the left and far right views nationalism as a white skinhead waving the Union flag.

 

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View Park Road's Profile Park Road Flag 05 Jul 18 11.25am Send a Private Message to Park Road Add Park Road as a friend

Contrary to popular belief, nationalism is most commonly a left-wing ideology. This is partly because many people wrongly associate authoritarian 'tough' stances with right-wing politics, when left and right on the spectrum is determined entirely by economic stance. Mainly however, nationalists tend to prefer a slightly socialistic economy as opposed to a capitalistic economy. They often oppose globalisation in many forms, saying that the outsourcing of jobs to foreign lands increases unemployment in their homeland, which ultimately stifles the nation's ability to determine itself. It is no suprise then, that with that immigration and sometimes emigration is opposed.

Nationalists are not only concerned with the welfare of their own nations, although they do not wish to interfere at all in that of others, because they often believe that every nation has a right to self-determination. So when mass immigration occurs in their country, they are not only concerned that this might cause a dissolution of their culture/ethnicity and a strain on the national infrastructure

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 05 Jul 18 11.29am Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Brentmiester_General

Just speaking the truth in a very humorous way. Can’t really argue with what he is saying can you?

National pride is for all colors and creeds to embrace. That is the point of it. It unites people in a common cause or mutual interest. It has come to be defined by national borders but is basically an extension of tribalism. A nation is supposed to broadly prioritise interests that serve the majority, including themselves, over religious and other potentially divisive lesser tribalism. When that doesn't happen, the nation is undermined to the potential detriment of all.

Now you might argue that we all serve the super rich and that nationalism is just a mechanism to facilitate that servitude. Maybe so to a degree, but without that system, we all have nothing. There can be no genuine equality for many reasons, so we must all find our level with the talents we have and with an acceptance that the rules of the game favour the wealthy.

 

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View steeleye20's Profile steeleye20 Flag Croydon 05 Jul 18 12.10pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

National pride is for all colors and creeds to embrace. That is the point of it. It unites people in a common cause or mutual interest. It has come to be defined by national borders but is basically an extension of tribalism. A nation is supposed to broadly prioritise interests that serve the majority, including themselves, over religious and other potentially divisive lesser tribalism. When that doesn't happen, the nation is undermined to the potential detriment of all.

Now you might argue that we all serve the super rich and that nationalism is just a mechanism to facilitate that servitude. Maybe so to a degree, but without that system, we all have nothing. There can be no genuine equality for many reasons, so we must all find our level with the talents we have and with an acceptance that the rules of the game favour the wealthy.

You are confusing nationalism with national pride.

Nationalism is an extreme form of patriotism marked by a feeling of superiority over other countries.

National pride is not that at all but what it says, pride in one's countries values beliefs etc.


 

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View Park Road's Profile Park Road Flag 05 Jul 18 12.17pm Send a Private Message to Park Road Add Park Road as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

You are confusing nationalism with national pride.

Nationalism is an extreme form of patriotism marked by a feeling of superiority over other countries.

National pride is not that at all but what it says, pride in one's countries values beliefs etc.


I think you might have the definition confused.

Nationalism is the belief that your country has the right to exist on its own. Not to be confused with Patriotism.

Patriotism in its true form is merely a pride for being a citizen of one's country

Edited by Park Road (05 Jul 2018 12.18pm)

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 05 Jul 18 12.45pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Park Road

Edited by Park Road (05 Jul 2018 12.18pm)

Nationalism covers anything from patriotism, working for the nation as a whole as defined by national borders and the regime within, national pride, serving mutual interests within a nation and then into more aggressive forms like jingoism and authentic xenophobia.


 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag Wisbech, England 05 Jul 18 1.09pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

You are confusing nationalism with national pride.


National.

Nationalism.

One is an extension of the other. There can be extreme nationalism just as their can be extreme any political ideology.....just as you have the left and the far left for example.

However, I'm a nationalist and I'm not extreme. I don't see myself as genetically superior nor do I wish to physically hurt anyone else just because they are from a different nation.

Still, facts don't matter to the far left agenda machine. They just want to push out lies.

And Nationalists of different nations team up regularly to combat the EU. So this idea that being a nationalist means you hate anyone who isn't in your nation is just incredibly simplistic and BS.

A nationalist believes in the concept of nations as the best methodology for the advancement of humanity.

Doug Stanhope is a drunk and I can debunk all his points....they are as simplistic as he is. Of course, he might not actually be serious...being that it's a routine. But there you go.

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View Park Road's Profile Park Road Flag 05 Jul 18 1.21pm Send a Private Message to Park Road Add Park Road as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Nationalism covers anything from patriotism, working for the nation as a whole as defined by national borders and the regime within, national pride, serving mutual interests within a nation and then into more aggressive forms like jingoism and authentic xenophobia.


So can it be divided into various subsidiaries?, or is it just one full package I.e. if you are a nationalist,you basically believe everything you've just described.

Just out of interest "authentic xenophobia"... As opposed to ...?

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