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Kant exeter 21 Aug 18 7.29pm
“Do any of you support their behaviour? What right do they have to move supporters who have potentially been there more than they have lived.” I do. And I’m an old fart with no affiliation to the HF. The decision should have been based on what is in the best interests of the club, balanced against the prejudice to the fans who need to make way. People have eloquently made the case for the HF in this thread. No one is suggesting that the 100 odd HF are ‘better’ supporters. But they are more influential that any random bunch of season ticket holders, on and off the pitch, and their unique value as an organised and effective force should be recognised. Balance their impact on the atmosphere at SP and our reputation in the game against the harm that will be done to the displaced. No one is denying those fans the right to retain a season ticket in the Holmesdale. They will just be sitting in a different seat. The prejudice is minimal. Sometimes we have to act in the interests of the common good and if that means shifting a few fans then so be it. We don’t have the finances to compete with the big boys in terms of winning silverware. But we can and do outperform them in the stands. I enjoy belonging to a club whose support is the envy of the league and has become a defining feature of ‘being Palace’. I will be very sad if this unique attribute, one that sets us apart from the rest, is needlessly thrown away. I recognise that to some extent I bask in the reflected glory of the HF. I suspect there are others on here that do so too, but without due acknowledgment to the people concerned. I respect and applaud the efforts of the HF. I implore any of their number who happens to read this to build bridges and be the bigger man - for the benefit of our beloved club and all Palace fans everywhere.
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Kant

exeter 21 Aug 18 7.29pm

“Do any of you support their behaviour?

What right do they have to move supporters who have potentially been there more than they have lived.”

I do. And I’m an old fart with no affiliation to the HF.

The decision should have been based on what is in the best interests of the club, balanced against the prejudice to the fans who need to make way.

People have eloquently made the case for the HF in this thread. No one is suggesting that the 100 odd HF are ‘better’ supporters. But they are more influential that any random bunch of season ticket holders, on and off the pitch, and their unique value as an organised and effective force should be recognised.

Balance their impact on the atmosphere at SP and our reputation in the game against the harm that will be done to the displaced. No one is denying those fans the right to retain a season ticket in the Holmesdale. They will just be sitting in a different seat. The prejudice is minimal.

Sometimes we have to act in the interests of the common good and if that means shifting a few fans then so be it.

We don’t have the finances to compete with the big boys in terms of winning silverware. But we can and do outperform them in the stands. I enjoy belonging to a club whose support is the envy of the league and has become a defining feature of ‘being Palace’. I will be very sad if this unique attribute, one that sets us apart from the rest, is needlessly thrown away.

I recognise that to some extent I bask in the reflected glory of the HF. I suspect there are others on here that do so too, but without due acknowledgment to the people concerned.

I respect and applaud the efforts of the HF. I implore any of their number who happens to read this to build bridges and be the bigger man - for the benefit of our beloved club and all Palace fans everywhere.

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AERO 21 Aug 18 7.46pm
Totally agree with above post. This situation has been severely underestimated.It hard enough to stay in this division the HF gave us a bit of an advantage at home . Now we will become just another ground .
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21 Aug 18 7.46pm

Totally agree with above post. This situation has been severely underestimated.It hard enough to stay in this division the HF gave us a bit of an advantage at home . Now we will become just another ground .

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lefty27 ipswich 21 Aug 18 8.03pm
This post has been merged from a topic called 'An alternative view on last night's atmosphere' by Midlands Eagle They are on general sale (tickets at the front of block b) so not season ticket holders. I have so far avoided sitting there as it would feel a bit weird. Real shame the way things have gone.
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They are on general sale (tickets at the front of block b) so not season ticket holders. I have so far avoided sitting there as it would feel a bit weird. Real shame the way things have gone.

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SamCPFC17 Croydon 21 Aug 18 8.14pm
This post has been merged from a topic called 'An alternative view on last night's atmosphere' by Midlands Eagle Ah that's interesting, so in other words the club may well end up selling the seats back to the HF if the situation improves - good to know if nothing else, also explains the lack of noise at the front. There could even have been Liverpool fans in there for all we know I guess?
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Croydon 21 Aug 18 8.14pm

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Ah that's interesting, so in other words the club may well end up selling the seats back to the HF if the situation improves - good to know if nothing else, also explains the lack of noise at the front. There could even have been Liverpool fans in there for all we know I guess?

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Bangell Oxford 21 Aug 18 8.19pm
This post has been merged from a topic called 'An alternative view on last night's atmosphere' by Midlands Eagle Originally posted by SamCPFC17 I've been standing towards the back of Block B for a good few years, and whilst there have undoubtedly been worse atmospheres than last night's during that time, it has to be said that Selhurst really was very quiet yesterday evening. I won't discuss the HF situation here as there's already a thread on that, but what I would like to highlight is one non-HF related reason why I thought the atmosphere was so muted last night: the people who've moved in to the front of Block B. First and foremost, does anyone know whether the majority of them are season ticket holders or just day trippers? Either way, whilst at the back of the Block we really were trying our hardest to get the noise going, those at the front seemed, to me at least, to be more or less entirely silent all game. Doubtless I'll be accused of telling other Palace fans how they should support their club here, but I really had hoped that those who took up the space left behind by the HF (as they have every right to do) would at least join in with the songs starting at the back, and provide that link in the corner between Blocks A/B and the Arthur. But, as aforementioned, the first 10ish rows seemed more or less totally quiet all game. Did anyone else notice/have a view on this? I'm not trying to be disrespectful to those who had tickets down at the front (some of whom, for all I know, might actually still be HF), but we really could've done with their help last night. We don't know when the HF will be back, so we've got to try and make the best of the situation we're in, which at the very least means getting all of Block B rocking - hopefully things will improve in this regard over the coming games. A high possibility that many of them were not Palace fans
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Oxford 21 Aug 18 8.19pm

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Originally posted by SamCPFC17

I've been standing towards the back of Block B for a good few years, and whilst there have undoubtedly been worse atmospheres than last night's during that time, it has to be said that Selhurst really was very quiet yesterday evening.
I won't discuss the HF situation here as there's already a thread on that, but what I would like to highlight is one non-HF related reason why I thought the atmosphere was so muted last night: the people who've moved in to the front of Block B.
First and foremost, does anyone know whether the majority of them are season ticket holders or just day trippers? Either way, whilst at the back of the Block we really were trying our hardest to get the noise going, those at the front seemed, to me at least, to be more or less entirely silent all game.
Doubtless I'll be accused of telling other Palace fans how they should support their club here, but I really had hoped that those who took up the space left behind by the HF (as they have every right to do) would at least join in with the songs starting at the back, and provide that link in the corner between Blocks A/B and the Arthur.
But, as aforementioned, the first 10ish rows seemed more or less totally quiet all game. Did anyone else notice/have a view on this?
I'm not trying to be disrespectful to those who had tickets down at the front (some of whom, for all I know, might actually still be HF), but we really could've done with their help last night.
We don't know when the HF will be back, so we've got to try and make the best of the situation we're in, which at the very least means getting all of Block B rocking - hopefully things will improve in this regard over the coming games.

A high possibility that many of them were not Palace fans

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tinribzzz BROMLEY 21 Aug 18 8.27pm
This post has been merged from a topic called 'An alternative view on last night's atmosphere' by Midlands Eagle I'm row 24, so about half way. I did see a group at the front trying to get it going but unfortunately they weren't always singing the same as the rest of us. There was also a guy who appeared to be sticking his fingers up at the back of the block which was bizarre. They all looked very young!
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BROMLEY 21 Aug 18 8.27pm

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I'm row 24, so about half way. I did see a group at the front trying to get it going but unfortunately they weren't always singing the same as the rest of us.

There was also a guy who appeared to be sticking his fingers up at the back of the block which was bizarre. They all looked very young!

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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 21 Aug 18 8.30pm
Originally posted by pefwin Loyalty is Loyalty, you are the one who suggested some are more loyal than others; reminiscent of CSCE English. Originally posted by BarEagle The irony... You mean GCSE? to be corrected on your English language (although a technicality),....by a Welshie. That must be humiliating Edited by Forest Hillbilly (21 Aug 2018 8.35pm) "The facts have changed", Rishi Sunak
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Originally posted by pefwin

Loyalty is Loyalty, you are the one who suggested some are more loyal than others; reminiscent of CSCE English.

Originally posted by BarEagle

The irony...

You mean GCSE?

to be corrected on your English language (although a technicality),....by a Welshie. That must be humiliating

Edited by Forest Hillbilly (21 Aug 2018 8.35pm)

"The facts have changed", Rishi Sunak

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Brinscall Eagle Brinscall Lancashire/ Villamartin ... 21 Aug 18 8.48pm
IN the old days fans that were like minded and wanted to stand and sing together did so and congregated in any area of the terraces that was free at the time. Now with all stadium seating this old tradition has become more difficult. I guess the only solution to this issue of wanting your preferred space will come when we get the standing areas. This will then give the club and fans the chance to reassess their situation. In the meantime whoever you are,wherever you watch. near or far COYP
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Brinscall Lancashire/ Villamartin ... 21 Aug 18 8.48pm

IN the old days fans that were like minded and wanted to stand and sing together did so and congregated in any area of the terraces that was free at the time. Now with all stadium seating this old tradition has become more difficult. I guess the only solution to this issue of wanting your preferred space will come when we get the standing areas. This will then give the club and fans the chance to reassess their situation. In the meantime whoever you are,wherever you watch. near or far COYP

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pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 21 Aug 18 8.56pm
Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly Originally posted by pefwin Loyalty is Loyalty, you are the one who suggested some are more loyal than others; reminiscent of CSCE English. to be corrected on your English language (although a technicality),....by a Welshie. That must be humiliating Edited by Forest Hillbilly (21 Aug 2018 8.35pm) terrible isn't it when all he normally thinks of is wellies and woolly. In my day I had a choice of an O level or an O level. None of this "well done for trying" noncense. "Everything is air-droppable at least once." "When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."
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Where you have to have an English ... 21 Aug 18 8.56pm

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

Originally posted by pefwin

Loyalty is Loyalty, you are the one who suggested some are more loyal than others; reminiscent of CSCE English.

to be corrected on your English language (although a technicality),....by a Welshie. That must be humiliating

Edited by Forest Hillbilly (21 Aug 2018 8.35pm)

terrible isn't it when all he normally thinks of is wellies and woolly. In my day I had a choice of an O level or an O level. None of this "well done for trying" noncense.

"Everything is air-droppable at least once."

"When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

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SamCPFC17 Croydon 21 Aug 18 9.07pm
This post has been merged from a topic called 'An alternative view on last night's atmosphere' by Midlands Eagle Yeah I'm row 24 too, saw a couple of lads at the front who looked like they were trying to play at being the HF but doing a very embarrassing job of it. Hopefully enough of those seats remain available so that if something is worked out then a number of the real HF can return - up till then I guess it's up to us.
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Croydon 21 Aug 18 9.07pm

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Yeah I'm row 24 too, saw a couple of lads at the front who looked like they were trying to play at being the HF but doing a very embarrassing job of it. Hopefully enough of those seats remain available so that if something is worked out then a number of the real HF can return - up till then I guess it's up to us.

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glazedallover Allier 21 Aug 18 9.21pm
Originally posted by pefwin terrible isn't it when all he normally thinks of is wellies and woolly. In my day I had a choice of an O level or an O level. None of this "well done for trying" noncense. Nonsense. You had either a GCE ‘O’ level or your ‘well done for trying’ CSE.
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Allier 21 Aug 18 9.21pm

Originally posted by pefwin

terrible isn't it when all he normally thinks of is wellies and woolly. In my day I had a choice of an O level or an O level. None of this "well done for trying" noncense.

Nonsense. You had either a GCE ‘O’ level or your ‘well done for trying’ CSE.

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chris123 hove actually 21 Aug 18 9.28pm
Originally posted by glazedallover Nonsense. You had either a GCE ‘O’ level or your ‘well done for trying’ CSE. Not always if you went to a Grammar.
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Originally posted by glazedallover

Nonsense. You had either a GCE ‘O’ level or your ‘well done for trying’ CSE.

Not always if you went to a Grammar.

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