Call for UK citizen ID system after Brexit
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 Rudi Hedman  Caterham 30 Jul 18 1.33pm |
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Originally posted by Frickin Saweet
seems a bit OTT to have an ID card, driving license and passport. I wouldn't like a law that said you have to carry it at all times. Sometimes it's nice to go out without anything at all. You’re a naturist?
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 Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 30 Jul 18 1.35pm |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
What were the objections? Just ideological ones? Personally if you’ve nothing to hide then what’s the problem? I don't buy this "if you've done nothing wrong, you've nothing to hide" bollocks. This is an issue of personal privacy which is meant to be one of our inalienable freedoms (but which has been slowly eroded over the last 30 years). This is about the state holding as much personal information on the individual as it can and that is simply not the basis of a healthy society. How is this information held? How is it shared? How secure is it? Given the large number of data breaches from government departments (to say nothing of in the private sector), I'd suggest that the government is simply not to be trusted with such information on such a large scale, both in terms of data security and for whatever sinister uses they may make of it. It's a major, major intrusion into the individual's right to privacy and one more step towards a police state.
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europalace  Europe 30 Jul 18 1.41pm |
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Originally posted by Cucking Funt
I don't buy this "if you've done nothing wrong, you've nothing to hide" bollocks. This is an issue of personal privacy which is meant to be one of our inalienable freedoms (but which has been slowly eroded over the last 30 years). This is about the state holding as much personal information on the individual as it can and that is simply not the basis of a healthy society. How is this information held? How is it shared? How secure is it? Given the large number of data breaches from government departments (to say nothing of in the private sector), I'd suggest that the government is simply not to be trusted with such information on such a large scale, both in terms of data security and for whatever sinister uses they may make of it. It's a major, major intrusion into the individual's right to privacy and one more step towards a police state. The state has all of this information and more already. Id cards don't add to that at all. What they do is deter a lot more crime than without. I've had id cards for more than 25 years, guess what? - no one has stolen my identity, no one has stopped me for no reason, in fact it's been completely hassle free. Too much conspiracy theories from those with no experience of them.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 30 Jul 18 1.48pm |
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Not for me. Never needed one in Europe either. Simply don't trust them with it. Bound to be yet another IT fiasco.
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| Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 30 Jul 18 1.55pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Not for me. Never needed one in Europe either. Simply don't trust them with it. Bound to be yet another IT fiasco.
You're absolutely right. And in order to implement it, the government will need to take on an awful lot of IT contractors which, thanks to IR35, will become virtually impossible as they've done all they can to kill off the contracting industry already.
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Mr Fenandes  30 Jul 18 2.09pm |
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Originally posted by Cucking Funt
I don't buy this "if you've done nothing wrong, you've nothing to hide" bollocks. This is an issue of personal privacy which is meant to be one of our inalienable freedoms (but which has been slowly eroded over the last 30 years). This is about the state holding as much personal information on the individual as it can and that is simply not the basis of a healthy society. How is this information held? How is it shared? How secure is it? Given the large number of data breaches from government departments (to say nothing of in the private sector), I'd suggest that the government is simply not to be trusted with such information on such a large scale, both in terms of data security and for whatever sinister uses they may make of it. It's a major, major intrusion into the individual's right to privacy and one more step towards a police state. agree with all of this. Used to be in the "nothing to hide, nothing to fear" camp but personal data misuse and mishandling can ruin your life. Not only from the govt but all the 3rd party companies that hold all this information, even the big boys have had massive data breaches (paypal, Hotmail, amazon, etc etc etc) and basically just shrugged and said sorry, we'll try not to let it happen again.
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| .TUX. 30 Jul 18 2.28pm |
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Originally posted by europalace
The state has all of this information and more already. Id cards don't add to that at all. What they do is deter a lot more crime than without. I've had id cards for more than 25 years, guess what? - no one has stolen my identity, no one has stopped me for no reason, in fact it's been completely hassle free. Too much conspiracy theories from those with no experience of them. There's no evidence that crime levels in countries that already have ID Cards (such as France, Germany, Italy and Spain) have been reduced by having ID cards. I'm with Funty and co.
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PalazioVecchio  south pole 30 Jul 18 2.33pm |
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in terms of the needs for identification, lets start at the top. - all the attendees at the bilderberg summit identify them all.
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| .TUX. 30 Jul 18 2.39pm |
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Originally posted by PalazioVecchio
in terms of the needs for identification, lets start at the top. - all the attendees at the bilderberg summit identify them all. That'd be great, but i think the OP was referring to us 'plebs' bud.
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| YT Oxford 30 Jul 18 2.44pm |
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Originally posted by Cucking Funt
I don't buy this "if you've done nothing wrong, you've nothing to hide" bollocks. This is an issue of personal privacy which is meant to be one of our inalienable freedoms (but which has been slowly eroded over the last 30 years). This is about the state holding as much personal information on the individual as it can and that is simply not the basis of a healthy society. How is this information held? How is it shared? How secure is it? Given the large number of data breaches from government departments (to say nothing of in the private sector), I'd suggest that the government is simply not to be trusted with such information on such a large scale, both in terms of data security and for whatever sinister uses they may make of it. It's a major, major intrusion into the individual's right to privacy and one more step towards a police state. When were these breaches, Cucking? Do you have some examples?
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 30 Jul 18 2.48pm |
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Originally posted by Mr Fenandes
agree with all of this. Used to be in the "nothing to hide, nothing to fear" camp but personal data misuse and mishandling can ruin your life. Not only from the govt but all the 3rd party companies that hold all this information, even the big boys have had massive data breaches (paypal, Hotmail, amazon, etc etc etc) and basically just shrugged and said sorry, we'll try not to let it happen again. The government already have information on you on database: I know, it’s already been posted.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 30 Jul 18 2.50pm |
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Originally posted by .TUX.
There's no evidence that crime levels in countries that already have ID Cards (such as France, Germany, Italy and Spain) have been reduced by having ID cards. I'm with Funty and co. Can be used to stop modern slavery possibly.
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