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pefwin Flag Where you have to have an English ... 10 Sep 18 12.06pm

Gimmick like PRP, if people remember. Funny that the TUC are finessing an ex-Tory idea to include voting rights.


I expect not as most on here nowadays seem to be ex-public sector on gold plated (ill health) pensions.

 


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Originally posted by pefwin

Gimmick like PRP, if people remember. Funny that the TUC are finessing an ex-Tory idea to include voting rights.


I expect not as most on here nowadays seem to be ex-public sector on gold plated (ill health) pensions.

The TUC have just come out with the brilliant idea that workers should only do a 4 days week. Have they seen the state of the high street? Companies are dropping like flies and before long many TUC members will be enjoying 7 days a week off.

I am all in favour of flexible working hours but they expect to work less for the same pay. Well I want a date with Kylie and that aint going to happen either.

 


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pefwin Flag Where you have to have an English ... 10 Sep 18 3.43pm

Originally posted by Badger11

The TUC have just come out with the brilliant idea that workers should only do a 4 days week. Have they seen the state of the high street? Companies are dropping like flies and before long many TUC members will be enjoying 7 days a week off.

I am all in favour of flexible working hours but they expect to work less for the same pay. Well I want a date with Kylie and that aint going to happen either.

did you mean to post this on the flexible working hours thread or the dividends?

Edited by pefwin (10 Sep 2018 3.43pm)

 


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Originally posted by pefwin

did you mean to post this on the flexible working hours thread or the dividends?

Edited by pefwin (10 Sep 2018 3.43pm)

Hi I posted here as there wasn't a working hours thread at the time. Feel free to move or delete it as I have since added my comments to that thread.

 


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Labour has announced that companies should be forced to hand over 10% of their shares to the workers.

I am in favour of workers owning shares and most responsible companies have a scheme, but I don't like compulsion.

The cynic in me has spotted a more sinister purpose in what appears to be a benevolent policy.

In their plans Labour say that whilst the workers will receive the dividends the share will be held in a central pool. I would call that a voting block.

Question: Who controls the voting rights for that block? The unions perhaps?

Edited by Badger11 (24 Sep 2018 9.14am)

 


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Originally posted by Badger11

Labour has announced that companies should be forced to hand over 10% of their shares to the workers.

I am in favour of workers owning shares and most responsible companies have a scheme, but I don't like compulsion.

The cynic in me has spotted a more sinister purpose in what appears to be a benevolent policy.

In their plans Labour say that whilst the workers will receive the dividends the share will be held in a central pool. I would call that a voting block.

Question: Who controls the voting rights for that block? The unions perhaps?

Edited by Badger11 (24 Sep 2018 9.14am)

I did some contract work for a firm that had recently floated having been privately owned for years. Staff were awarded shares partly based on years of service, and the IPO was at £2.15 - in 2012 the shares traded at over £17.00. Needless to say there were some who made some serious money.

 

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I think instead of shares wages should be linked from the top earners to the bottom.
If the chief executive gets a rise all workers get the same %

If the top bosses get a bonus the other employees get the same % of earnings.

 

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croydon proud Flag Any european country i fancy! 24 Sep 18 12.46pm

Originally posted by dannyboy1978

I think instead of shares wages should be linked from the top earners to the bottom.
If the chief executive gets a rise all workers get the same %

If the top bosses get a bonus the other employees get the same % of earnings.

Can"t argue with that !

 

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croydon proud Flag Any european country i fancy! 24 Sep 18 12.48pm

£10 minimum wage? Whats not to like? Stand aside CONservatives, the real workers are on the up!

 

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pefwin Flag Where you have to have an English ... 24 Sep 18 1.33pm

Originally posted by croydon proud

£10 minimum wage? Whats not to like? Stand aside CONservatives, the real workers are on the up!

Just a quick question : is there a Croydon in Eire and how proud of it are you?

 


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Originally posted by cryrst

The first words in the headline
'He would FORCE companies to do this.
That must be like what happens in other socialist countries. Hence why they are shagged.
In a free society you cannot do that without major repercussions.
And what is living comfortably because until he also forces you to spend your money how he sees fit
People will always piss it up the wall on crap.

What? Have you ever worked in an FCA registered business? You're FORCED to do things all the time. For that matter have you ever worked in a company? They are all FORCED to pay tax every year. What a scandal.

If you look at the level of business investment it's in the doldrums. Businesses are sitting on huge piles of cash and more and more they are repatriating huge amounts to shareholders. This is bad for the economy. It's one of the main reasons corporate productivity since 2008 has been so awful.

Talking of productivity, had workers’ wages kept track with the rise in their productivity since 1990, the average employee would today be 20% better off. Or they could have three-day weekends all year long and still get paid the same.

Furthermore, labour had been getting smaller and smaller slices of the pie: from 70% of national income in the 1970s to 55% now. By the reckoning of the Bank of England's chief economist, employees get proportionately less now than they did at the very outset of the Industrial Revolution in the 1770s.


Given that shareholders benefit from limited liability and the infrastructure which the public pay for, plus all the upside of outperformance, there should be more of a compunction for companies to be part owned by their employees or the state. We're talking 10% max, not mass state ownership. This should have been happening years ago, and should have formed the basis of a sovereign wealth fund. What's more we should go further and have state owned VC and PE vehicles which provide funds for start ups in sectors such as tech, medicine, engineering etc. which then would retain 5-10% of the shares on any listing and plough the profits from listing or sale back into public projects such as infrastructure and education.


This policy I predict will be hugely popular. It's a shame (but not surprising) that the right wing rags have barely reported on it for fear that their readers would (rightly) think it rather a decent policy and one worth voting for.

 

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Originally posted by dannyboy1978

I think instead of shares wages should be linked from the top earners to the bottom.
If the chief executive gets a rise all workers get the same %

If the top bosses get a bonus the other employees get the same % of earnings.

Why instead?

 

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