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View Uphill's Profile Uphill Flag Bedford 14 Jan 20 2.55pm Send a Private Message to Uphill Add Uphill as a friend

The negative comments about him do not surprise me.

Over the past ten years Palace have not nurtured what skilful talent they've had. Think of Michael Hughes, Ben Watson, Owen Garvan, Barry Bannon, etc. We don't play in a style that encourages creativity and the fans show no understanding or patience either.

Consider, why have we only scored 20 goals in 22?

The uninitiated will say incompetent strikers but the reality is lack of service. With a 'destructive midfield' of the likes of Milivojevic, Kouayate, etc it will always be so.
What passes they manage to provide are usually of the 'suicide' variety to a marked man who has no option but to offload immediately.

I feel sorry for Tosun, he will probably go the way of Gayle, Murray - frustratingly chasing after bits and scraps.

In short Meyer should be encouraged and played in his correct position.

 


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View CharlesPaterson's Profile CharlesPaterson Flag 14 Jan 20 3.02pm Send a Private Message to CharlesPaterson Add CharlesPaterson as a friend

Originally posted by TheBigToePunt

He seems so physically weak all the time. He has no pace, and whenever he does shoot he seems to possess no power at all.

This was very noticeable on Saturday.

Even when he had time on the ball he didn't look a threat.
He does have quick feet but he looked so lightweight up against the likes of Xhaka..

I can see why Roy was reluctant to start him in a lot of games. He probably needs to add some bulk to be effective in that role or he's a passenger in some games..

 

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View Lyons550's Profile Lyons550 Flag Shirley 14 Jan 20 3.06pm Send a Private Message to Lyons550 Add Lyons550 as a friend

Originally posted by Uphill

The negative comments about him do not surprise me.

Over the past ten years Palace have not nurtured what skilful talent they've had. Think of Michael Hughes, Ben Watson, Owen Garvan, Barry Bannon, etc. We don't play in a style that encourages creativity and the fans show no understanding or patience either.

Consider, why have we only scored 20 goals in 22?

The uninitiated will say incompetent strikers but the reality is lack of service. With a 'destructive midfield' of the likes of Milivojevic, Kouayate, etc it will always be so.
What passes they manage to provide are usually of the 'suicide' variety to a marked man who has no option but to offload immediately.

I feel sorry for Tosun, he will probably go the way of Gayle, Murray - frustratingly chasing after bits and scraps.

In short Meyer should be encouraged and played in his correct position.


Spot on. He's the right player in the wrong team. I agree he needs to toughen up a little, but he's probably our most technically proficient player. He's being played out of position, in a position that isolates him and allows for heavy challenges to take place.

it's no coincidence that when he plays inside of Wilf, the latter comes alive. it's hard for him to make an impact as a result esp when he gets the ball and the options in front of him are limited due to the tactics we employ of sitting the majority of the team in the middle to lower third of the pitch.

He'd slot straight into Arsenal, Leicester or Man Citys side without a fuss and then people would be complaining why he didnt play like that for us!

 


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View Nicholas91's Profile Nicholas91 Online Flag Kent 14 Jan 20 3.27pm Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by Uphill

The negative comments about him do not surprise me.

Over the past ten years Palace have not nurtured what skilful talent they've had. Think of Michael Hughes, Ben Watson, Owen Garvan, Barry Bannon, etc. We don't play in a style that encourages creativity and the fans show no understanding or patience either.

Consider, why have we only scored 20 goals in 22?

The uninitiated will say incompetent strikers but the reality is lack of service. With a 'destructive midfield' of the likes of Milivojevic, Kouayate, etc it will always be so.
What passes they manage to provide are usually of the 'suicide' variety to a marked man who has no option but to offload immediately.

I feel sorry for Tosun, he will probably go the way of Gayle, Murray - frustratingly chasing after bits and scraps.

In short Meyer should be encouraged and played in his correct position.

Good point, I have been thinking/saying this for a while.

Our strikers do get a bad press but it's not as if they are all missing one-on-one's from being played in every week or open goals, we rarely create clear cut opportunities.

A bit of magic from Wilf, Andros or Jordan, a penalty, a Schlupp or PvA rocket, most of our goals seem to come from half-chances.

The only thing I can think of to counter this is that Benteke got 17 his first season and Bats a few in not many games last.

Even so, we are lacking any playmaking in the middle of the park.

 


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View BarEagle's Profile BarEagle Flag Monmouth 14 Jan 20 4.27pm Send a Private Message to BarEagle Add BarEagle as a friend

Originally posted by Nicholas91

Good point, I have been thinking/saying this for a while.

Our strikers do get a bad press but it's not as if they are all missing one-on-one's from being played in every week or open goals, we rarely create clear cut opportunities.

A bit of magic from Wilf, Andros or Jordan, a penalty, a Schlupp or PvA rocket, most of our goals seem to come from half-chances.

The only thing I can think of to counter this is that Benteke got 17 his first season and Bats a few in not many games last.

Even so, we are lacking any playmaking in the middle of the park.


Owen Garvan. Really?

 

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View Ginger Pubic Wig's Profile Ginger Pubic Wig Flag Wickham de L'Ouest 14 Jan 20 4.35pm Send a Private Message to Ginger Pubic Wig Add Ginger Pubic Wig as a friend

Roy gets us playing when we need to. Otherwise, he has us on a leash.

It's true we don't score many. Partly that's because we don't try to for large parts of many games.

I doubt Roy even particularly wanted us to score before Arsenal did om Saturday.

 

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View SW19 CPFC's Profile SW19 CPFC Flag Addiscombe West 14 Jan 20 4.51pm Send a Private Message to SW19 CPFC Add SW19 CPFC as a friend

Originally posted by Uphill

The negative comments about him do not surprise me.

Over the past ten years Palace have not nurtured what skilful talent they've had. Think of Michael Hughes, Ben Watson, Owen Garvan, Barry Bannon, etc. We don't play in a style that encourages creativity and the fans show no understanding or patience either.

Consider, why have we only scored 20 goals in 22?

The uninitiated will say incompetent strikers but the reality is lack of service. With a 'destructive midfield' of the likes of Milivojevic, Kouayate, etc it will always be so.
What passes they manage to provide are usually of the 'suicide' variety to a marked man who has no option but to offload immediately.

I feel sorry for Tosun, he will probably go the way of Gayle, Murray - frustratingly chasing after bits and scraps.

In short Meyer should be encouraged and played in his correct position.

Hughes was brilliant for Palace. As was Watson.

Garvan and Bannan. Average. Actually in fairness Barry did pretty well, considering.

However, I'd struggle to put any of those in the category of 'creative talent'.

Bostock, Zaha, Moses, Bolasie, yes. Fully nurtured (with the exception of bostock, prat). So not sure what the point is here.

If Meyer was a foot taller and more physical he'd be a regular. As it is, there's a reason we got him in on a free without any competition.

Edited by SW19 CPFC (14 Jan 2020 4.52pm)

 


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View pssguy's Profile pssguy Flag 14 Jan 20 5.05pm Send a Private Message to pssguy Add pssguy as a friend

Originally posted by Lyons550

He'd slot straight into Arsenal, Leicester or Man Citys side without a fuss and then people would be complaining why he didnt play like that for us!

Get real. As a kid he was outstanding but once he had to hack it with men he just couldn't. Either at Schalke or here.

A very small proportion of players have left Palace unappreciated and gone on to have stellar careers elsewhere

 

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View Rachid Rachid Rachid's Profile Rachid Rachid Rachid Flag 14 Jan 20 10.40pm Send a Private Message to Rachid Rachid Rachid Add Rachid Rachid Rachid as a friend

A look at his stats suggests that he was fairly prolific in his late teens but after appearing in the Olympics in 2016 this dried up and his form in the two years before joining us was very scratchy with no goals or assists.
ie pretty much what we've seen.

 

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View Aray's Profile Aray Flag London 14 Jan 20 10.43pm Send a Private Message to Aray Add Aray as a friend

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

Hughes was brilliant for Palace. As was Watson.

Garvan and Bannan. Average. Actually in fairness Barry did pretty well, considering.

However, I'd struggle to put any of those in the category of 'creative talent'.

Bostock, Zaha, Moses, Bolasie, yes. Fully nurtured (with the exception of bostock, prat). So not sure what the point is here.

If Meyer was a foot taller and more physical he'd be a regular. As it is, there's a reason we got him in on a free without any competition.

Edited by SW19 CPFC (14 Jan 2020 4.52pm)

He's the same size as Cabaye, near enough. And he is a giant compared to Torriera at Arsenal. It isn't his size that is the problem. But I agree he's not physical enough.

 

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View thai-eagle's Profile thai-eagle Flag chiang mai 15 Jan 20 1.54am Send a Private Message to thai-eagle Add thai-eagle as a friend

Was mentioned before, Messi and his compatriots at Barcelona is not that "bulked up" so what is the point? Play Meyer where he should be played - not put him out on the wing.
With him and Riedewald we now have two clever ball-players in our squad - use them and use them in their proper positions.

 

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View bangkokeagle's Profile bangkokeagle Flag bangkok 15 Jan 20 2.34pm Send a Private Message to bangkokeagle Add bangkokeagle as a friend

Not sure Michael Hughes was a Max Meyer type player. Tough tackling midfielder, though he could spray a pass. Thought he was brilliant for us. Meyer is a bet meh.

 


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