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View dollardays's Profile dollardays Flag 29 Aug 19 3.24pm Send a Private Message to dollardays Add dollardays as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

More to the point. Why do give a damn?

Personally, I couldn't care less.

You are a victim of tabloid culture.

The modern world of communications just exposes the sort of people that have always existed, good and bad, but were just ignored n the past.

I 100% agree with your stance of questioning the politics and media narrative behind say, TV channels and newspapers highlighting every racist tweet going. Tabloid culture does have something to answer for in that regard at least. It just encourages other racists and trolls, and in any sample of millions you're going to get a few thousands d!ckheads.

However, Being offended by what is depicted in this video is perfectly normal, rather than manufactured. I've been firmly against the court action, so if anything the social reaction indeed should be there. Countless people were burnt to death upon not being able to escape that building, and these individuals made little paper cutouts of them and their block, set it on fire and manically laughed about it. Pretty abhorrent. It was uploaded to the web by them, where it spread on social media before tabloid culture had even got out of bed. They invited reaction and consequently received it. The footage angered many, much like it does and did when there are other scenes of joy at people burning to death or jumping from burning buildings.

'Why do you give a damn?' 'I couldn't say less' is a bit much, because we all clearly care about this issue or that in life. Consequently lecturing someone when they have a completely normal reaction to people laughing at others burning to death in a fire, perhaps isn't the way to go. It's a rather typical and inherently understood thing to give a damn about.


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View dollardays's Profile dollardays Flag 29 Aug 19 3.40pm Send a Private Message to dollardays Add dollardays as a friend

Originally posted by becky

Ffs - can't we just go back to 'An Englishman's home is his castle' and be allowed to do what the hell we like in the privacy of our own homes without being prosecuted on the basis of complaints by people who really couldn't have been that offended on someone else's behalf?

Meanwhile, I shall continue to exercise my rights to celebrate my pagan side, in my own garden, at the full moon and other appropriate occasions, so you can all look forward to reading all about in the Sun, probably sometime soon......

I very much agree with the heart of that, the government should by and large get out of our lives. However the question that arises in the Internet age is, if you broadcast what's going on in your home to the world, at what point are you exiting your home and entering other peoples. At that point you invite at the very least, opinion. Still, I'm 100% against the court case waste of time side of this, so am completely with you on that.

I don't personally care if my neighbours are going for some kind of world's biggest gang bang Guinness World Record behind closed doors, but if they then upload footage of it to popular social channels where it can be viewed by every man, woman and child in the country it perhaps then becomes something that we all get to comment on. They should've considered this as they were giddily laughing their heads off at their Blue Peter depiction of people burning to death.


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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag Chatham 29 Aug 19 4.12pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Guy fawkes must be turning in his grave at the hate crime committed on him every year.
I think it's totally out of order.

 

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View dollardays's Profile dollardays Flag 29 Aug 19 5.06pm Send a Private Message to dollardays Add dollardays as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

Guy fawkes must be turning in his grave at the hate crime committed on him every year.
I think it's totally out of order.

400 years tends to add an element of detachment from the present . It is perhaps a somewhat difference scenario if someone is mocking a person's family members burning to death months after it happens and they chance upon it on YouTube or the nightly news.

If someone made a mock up of the twin towers with people burning inside, I wouldn't say who cares or search the archives for something hundreds of years back where there is little direct attachment now. I'd just see it as something that's sick rather than funny and call it as such.


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View SW19 CPFC's Profile SW19 CPFC Flag Addiscombe 29 Aug 19 5.59pm Send a Private Message to SW19 CPFC Add SW19 CPFC as a friend

Originally posted by becky

Ffs - can't we just go back to 'An Englishman's home is his castle' and be allowed to do what the hell we like in the privacy of our own homes without being prosecuted on the basis of complaints by people who really couldn't have been that offended on someone else's behalf?

Meanwhile, I shall continue to exercise my rights to celebrate my pagan side, in my own garden, at the full moon and other appropriate occasions, so you can all look forward to reading all about in the Sun, probably sometime soon......

Absolutely fine. Anyone can do what they want at home. That has not changed one iota. Incredibly obviously, what has changed is the ease of broadcasting outside of the home. The issue is not so much about what he/they did, it is about what he did and then publicly shared, for the sole purpose of entertainment and gloating.

If you're technologically ignorant enough to share something that is definitely going to piss off a lot of people, opening up the significant risk of it going viral, it then becomes a public issue in the public domain, and then it becomes open season.

Not sure why anyone is defending this stupidity, or why anyone can't see why what happened afterwards, happened.

 


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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 29 Aug 19 7.21pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by dollardays

I 100% agree with your stance of questioning the politics and media narrative behind say, TV channels and newspapers highlighting every racist tweet going. Tabloid culture does have something to answer for in that regard at least. It just encourages other racists and trolls, and in any sample of millions you're going to get a few thousands d!ckheads.

However, Being offended by what is depicted in this video is perfectly normal, rather than manufactured. I've been firmly against the court action, so if anything the social reaction indeed should be there. Countless people were burnt to death upon not being able to escape that building, and these individuals made little paper cutouts of them and their block, set it on fire and manically laughed about it. Pretty abhorrent. It was uploaded to the web by them, where it spread on social media before tabloid culture had even got out of bed. They invited reaction and consequently received it. The footage angered many, much like it does and did when there are other scenes of joy at people burning to death or jumping from burning buildings.

'Why do you give a damn?' 'I couldn't say less' is a bit much, because we all clearly care about this issue or that in life. Consequently lecturing someone when they have a completely normal reaction to people laughing at others burning to death in a fire, perhaps isn't the way to go. It's a rather typical and inherently understood thing to give a damn about.


Edited by dollardays (29 Aug 2019 5.27pm)

I have no interest in who is offended and by what.

The only time it matters is when a level of etiquette is required in order to maintain civilized relationships. In normal life, most employ a degree of interpersonal diplomacy and manners. Outside of that, why is any of this of any real importance?

I am constantly offended by things I see and hear and who cares about that?
These kinds of stories are 90% about politics and 10% about virtue signaling.

Some People are horrible and hateful. Tell me something I don't know.

 

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View dollardays's Profile dollardays Flag 29 Aug 19 7.46pm Send a Private Message to dollardays Add dollardays as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I have no interest in who is offended and by what.

The only time it matters is when a level of etiquette is required in order to maintain civilized relationships. In normal life, most employ a degree of interpersonal diplomacy and manners. Outside of that, why is any of this of any real importance?

I am constantly offended by things I see and hear and who cares about that?
These kinds of stories are 90% about politics and 10% about virtue signaling.

Some People are horrible and hateful. Tell me something I don't know.

Yes Hrolf as you well let us know if your oft updated 'Sky Sports are talking about racism again' thread. Which, as I said to a degree is a point well made. Still, if your sensitivities in that regard are to be heard, the event that in you brings about 'Why do you give a damn?' 'I couldn't say less'... laughter at depictions of people being burned to death.. may for others reach a mark at which wish they make their feelings known.

It's a perfectly normal thing to find this footage a quite disgusting spectacle and to point that out.


The phrase 'virtue signalling' has become so overused that for some it's made a good effort at swallowing up actual virtue in the process.

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View SW19 CPFC's Profile SW19 CPFC Flag Addiscombe 29 Aug 19 7.54pm Send a Private Message to SW19 CPFC Add SW19 CPFC as a friend

Originally posted by dollardays

Yes Hrolf as you well let us know if your oft updated 'Sky Sports are talking about racism again' thread. Which, as I said to a degree is a point well made. Still, if your sensitivities in that regard are to be heard, the event that in you brings about 'Why do you give a damn?' 'I couldn't say less'... depictions of people being burned to death.. may for others reach a mark at which wish they make their feelings known.

It's a perfectly normal thing to find this footage a quite disgusting spectacle and to point that out.


The phrase 'virtue signalling' has become so overused that for some it's made a good effort at swallowing up actual virtue in the process.


Edited by dollardays (29 Aug 2019 7.52pm)

Fair point.

 


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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 29 Aug 19 10.11pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by dollardays

Yes Hrolf as you well let us know if your oft updated 'Sky Sports are talking about racism again' thread. Which, as I said to a degree is a point well made. Still, if your sensitivities in that regard are to be heard, the event that in you brings about 'Why do you give a damn?' 'I couldn't say less'... laughter at depictions of people being burned to death.. may for others reach a mark at which wish they make their feelings known.

It's a perfectly normal thing to find this footage a quite disgusting spectacle and to point that out.


The phrase 'virtue signalling' has become so overused that for some it's made a good effort at swallowing up actual virtue in the process.

Edited by dollardays (29 Aug 2019 7.56pm)

These kinds of unpleasantries have existed in various antagonistic relationships for ever.

Why is this example suddenly a big deal?

One might suspect that your sudden bout of outrage is politically driven.

Have you not noticed that some members of the human race just live to hate others?
Am I going to waste my time and energy being outraged by every expression of this phenomenon?

Not a chance.

 

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View dollardays's Profile dollardays Flag 29 Aug 19 10.25pm Send a Private Message to dollardays Add dollardays as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

These kinds of unpleasantries have existed in various antagonistic relationships for ever.

Why is this example suddenly a big deal?

One might suspect that your sudden bout of outrage is politically driven.

Have you not noticed that some members of the human race just live to hate others?

Am I going to waste my time and energy being outraged by every expression of this phenomenon?

Not a chance.

You certainly make a good point there hrolf. Especially in these polarised times, we do find that where common ground drifts away, people find comfort in belief systems that both conjure up and cater to caricatures. So an unfortunate level of detachment from others develops.

In this scenario I'm primarily commenting on the ill advised behaviour, and positing that a social response and rejection of something can often be a more understandable and effective response than a legal one. Point being that some kind of response is inevitable and even advisable. But yes I considered the legal angle here to be a farce from the off and it was rightly thrown out. I thoroughly reject peoples ideas or repulsive strains of humour being policed. When that happens it's a slippery slope to a place where the state declares we are all born criminals.

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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

Absolutely fine. Anyone can do what they want at home. That has not changed one iota. Incredibly obviously, what has changed is the ease of broadcasting outside of the home. The issue is not so much about what he/they did, it is about what he did and then publicly shared, for the sole purpose of entertainment and gloating.

If you're technologically ignorant enough to share something that is definitely going to piss off a lot of people, opening up the significant risk of it going viral, it then becomes a public issue in the public domain, and then it becomes open season.

Not sure why anyone is defending this stupidity, or why anyone can't see why what happened afterwards, happened.

That's not illegal!!

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag Wisbech, England 30 Aug 19 12.58pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

We currently have a system where the state can intervene and punish people for offence.

The virtue signalling hoard are responsible for that.....Just a different form of pearl clutchers....the people who want you to accept that words are actually sticks and stones.

In the past this came from religious enforcement but now it's the atheistic and nihilistic versions we have to be wary of. At the end of the day, as much as they like to believe they are different, it's 'meet the new boss, it's the same as the old boss'.

Sure, tell people what you think......what happened here was highly offensive. Perhaps there are things that could be done.

However no state intervention for offence......it's a procurser to ever more state control.....and we already need to roll back what has been passed.

Edited by Stirlingsays (30 Aug 2019 1.05pm)

 

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