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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Online Flag Wisbech, England 24 Dec 18 11.07pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Not only has this bloke being taking it in the two by four now he has to take it in the neck as well.

As I see it, at the moment, the 'oh so virtuous' Hollywood machine is looking to take him down big time. It's target top five in the deranged MeMeMeMeTwo brain cells hit list....persona non grata.

In this latest video he shows that talent he's always had but he also seems to be losing it.

Personally I'm waiting to see actual evidence......You know that stuff that we use to convict people on....before the press and celebrities so kindly told us who was guilty and good before they got to court.

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag Chatham 24 Dec 18 11.20pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Apparently he did

 

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View Mr Palaceman's Profile Mr Palaceman Flag 24 Dec 18 11.26pm Send a Private Message to Mr Palaceman Add Mr Palaceman as a friend

???

He apologised...

 


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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Online Flag Wisbech, England 24 Dec 18 11.46pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Mr Palaceman

???

He apologised...

Everyone apologies nowadays. It's the pointless white handkerchief to the outrage mob. It's not an admittance of guilt to a particular situation.

 

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Originally posted by cryrst

Apparently he did


That's kind of my point....that's what the media are presenting.....when he said he didn't remember.

 

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View Mr Palaceman's Profile Mr Palaceman Flag 24 Dec 18 11.58pm Send a Private Message to Mr Palaceman Add Mr Palaceman as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Everyone apologies nowadays. It's the pointless white handkerchief to the outrage mob. It's not an admittance of guilt to a particular situation.

I agree it's not an admittion of guilt but it doesn't look good. I couldn't apologise for something I didn't do. Although he says he couldn't remember, he then put it down to drunken behaviour.

Also others have come out and made accusations against him. I'm not saying that he did it, I don't know either way. If he's innocent, I hope he can clear his name, as, as an actor I liked his work but if found guilty, his career is more over than it is now.

Can I ask why you appear to support him? Do you know him or have you met him?

 


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Originally posted by Mr Palaceman

I agree it's not an admittion of guilt but it doesn't look good. I couldn't apologise for something I didn't do. Although he says he couldn't remember, he then put it down to drunken behaviour.

Also others have come out and made accusations against him. I'm not saying that he did it, I don't know either way. If he's innocent, I hope he can clear his name, as, as an actor I liked his work but if found guilty, his career is more over than it is now.

Can I ask why you appear to support him? Do you know him or have you met him?

My default position is that we are all innocent until proven guilty....I kind of used to think that was how most people felt.

It narks me how the media hang, draw and quarter people and decide people's minds for them and how we just go along with it......and how the two faced in Hollywood suddenly act like he's evil and untouchable, when that industry is probably up there with the worst in just about every vice....The hypocrisy gets to me.......Maybe he's guilty, maybe he's not.....I'm taking sides on fairness before the judgement.


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

My default position is that we are all innocent until proven guilty.

It narks me how the media hang, draw and quarter people and decide people's minds for them and how we just go along with it......and how the two faced in Hollywood suddenly act like he's evil and untouchable, when that industry is probably up there with the worst in just about every vice....The hypocrisy gets to me.......Maybe he's guilty, maybe he's not.....I'm taking sides on fairness before the judgement.

Edited by Stirlingsays (25 Dec 2018 12.35am)

I couldn't agree more about hollywood and the media. I also like the idea of fairness before judgement.

For the sake of debate, would you apply the same to, Michael Jackson, when he was first accused, Saville or Bill Cosby?

 


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Originally posted by Mr Palaceman

I couldn't agree more about hollywood and the media. I also like the idea of fairness before judgement.

For the sake of debate, would you apply the same to, Michael Jackson, when he was first accused, Saville or Bill Cosby?


I defended Saville on here....I didn't believe that stuff until it was pretty much proven.....Kermit, who jumped on the 'Saville is guilty' train straight away had a lot of fun with that one.

Michael Jackson was a bit of a figure of fun for me due to his emasculated personality in contrast to his sexualised performances. But when it came to the charges against him I've always been open minded......Was he little boy lost or kiddie fiddler?.....Building a theme park at your home doesn't look good.....Still he was never convicted and pay packets or not if he's really at it I don't think those agreements would have held.....So I'm on the side of little boy lost who fancied kids but never actually did the deed....thank god. So yeah, I don't know but if I had to make a decision on Jackson it would be that he was a weirdo but not a harmful one.....No pitchforks out for him....nor Cliff Richard who we just had recently.

The Cosby thing kind of passed me by, I never really looked at it.

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Originally posted by Stirlingsays


I defended Saville on here....I didn't believe that stuff until it was pretty much proven.....Kermit, who jumped on the 'Saville is guilty' train straight away had a lot of fun with that one.

Michael Jackson was a bit of a figure of fun for me due to his emasculated personality in contrast to his sexualised performances. But when it came to the charges against him I've always been open minded......Was he little boy lost or kiddie fiddler?.....Building a theme park at your home doesn't look good.....Still he was never convicted and pay packets or not if he's really at it I don't think those agreements would have held.....So I'm on the side of little boy lost who fancied kids but never actually did the deed....thank god. So yeah, I don't know but if I had to make a decision on Jackson it would be that he was a weirdo but not a harmful one.....No pitchforks out for him....nor Cliff Richard who we just had recently.

The Cosby thing kind of passed me by, I never really looked at it.


Edited by Stirlingsays (25 Dec 2018 2.18am)


I remember your posts on Saville, I replied to a few of them, mainly to do with the conspiracy element.

I agree with your post and I think a lot of the time, we are never really going to get to know.

My wife has a saying though, "Never put your hand in the fire for anyone, you don't know". My view, when it comes to accusations such as these, is pretty much that, in the first instance.

 


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Originally posted by Mr Palaceman

I remember your posts on Saville, I replied to a few of them, mainly to do with the conspiracy element.

I agree with your post and I think a lot of the time, we are never really going to get to know.

My wife has a saying though, "Never put your hand in the fire for anyone, you don't know". My view, when it comes to accusations such as these, is pretty much that, in the first instance.

If you read what I wrote though I'm stating the truth isn't know....I'm being critical of those that think they know and want to appear virtuous on the back of an unknown...or those that make money out of it.

I see the sense in your wife's saying....but I can't say I could follow it.....A principle isn't a principle if you selectively follow it.


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

If you read what I wrote though I'm stating the truth isn't know....I'm being critical of those that think they know and want to appear virtuous on the back of an unknown...or those that make money out of it.

I see the sense in your wife's saying....but I can't say I could follow it.....A principle isn't a principle if you selectively follow it.


Edited by Stirlingsays (25 Dec 2018 2.57am)

My theory has always been that the government and judiciary used the headline celebrity perv cases to satisfy the lynch mob public and press so they didn't delve deeper into what has gone on in among the ruling classes.
The police have been used, once again, to do the dirty work.

 

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