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View mattteo's Profile mattteo Flag 25 Jan 19 5.29pm Send a Private Message to mattteo Add mattteo as a friend

Originally posted by dp

Ah, so your posts are after we had signed Benteke.

So you didnt say anything before we signed Benteke?


Really? Are you going to hold it against me because I didn't say anything when I wasn't even a member here? Of course I would have advised against paying 37 million on someone like Benteke.

Look, for me, he was a great young striker at Genk and his first period at Villa. But the Benteke periods have to be divided in 2: before and after his achilles tendon rupture in April 2014.

2 years before that he had 40 goals and assists in 6100 minutes against Premier League opponents and for the Belgium national team.

The 2 years after the injury he had 30 goals and assists in 5000 minutes for Aston Villa and Liverpool and the national team.
And playing for Liverpool, forwards do actually have much better percentages than playing for mid-table teams, so I'll just round up this period after the injury to about 1 goals or assist every 200 minutes at top level.

You could already see a decrease in performance. He was an ok striker, but not one worthy of such an expediture. Perhaps a 10 million was more likely his right price for what he offered.

Considering we already had Dwight Gayle who was scoring around 200 minutes as wel, why get Benteke? Ok, you could argue that he;s a different type of striker, taller and could create spaces for others. But is he good at that? Even in Liverpool, they signalled him out as being slow. He was considered slow for a center forward who had to run and create spaces, taht's why he flopped there.

So yeah, I would have definitely brought up his injury and decrease in performance, which later accentuated after coming to Palace (even though you will claim a good first season, it was filled with penalty goals and a lot of playing time to reach those numbers).

I talked about every new recruit and their price since becoming a memeber here. Was I wrong?

I said Townsend is worth the money when everybody was bashing him.

I said Tomkins is worth the money when he wasn;t even playing.

I said PVA will be a great signing, even for that money, as it weakens a relegation comeptitor (Sunderland) of their best assister in that season. And Sunderland went down after selling PVA, he scored against them in the direct match.

I said Jordan Ayew is not good enough to play as a striker in the PL based on his perfomance for Swansea in the last seasons when he played mostly in a central striker role and not as a winger. His around 12 million buy-option is ridiculous and some other player we could have gotten on loan could have helped more.

You can only hold me for saying that I think Luka Milivojevic might be too slow for the Premier League and I wouldn't pay 13.5 million to get him from Olympiacos. Yeah, I admit saying it and I don;t backtrack even though he;s made captain and a fan favourite. But he's not that good a goalscorer as you make him as other players get penalties and he just converts them. And defensively he has had his slip-ups with Manchester United at home last year and in other matches, but ok, he's a good player, I have been wrong about him.

 

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View dp's Profile dp Flag Tunbridge Wells 25 Jan 19 5.38pm Send a Private Message to dp Add dp as a friend

Originally posted by mattteo

Really? Are you going to hold it against me because I didn't say anything when I wasn't even a member here? Of course I would have advised against paying 37 million on someone like Benteke.

You joined in January 2016? We signed Benteke in August 2016. Did you advise against paying 37 million for Benteke?

 

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View mattteo's Profile mattteo Flag 25 Jan 19 5.48pm Send a Private Message to mattteo Add mattteo as a friend

Originally posted by dp

You joined in January 2016? We signed Benteke in August 2016. Did you advise against paying 37 million for Benteke?

I joined but I wasn't active. After i joined I think I only came back after about 6-7 months. And yes, I said Benteke for that much money was a mistake from the first minute I posted here.

 

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View eagleman13's Profile eagleman13 Flag On The Road To Hell & Alicante 25 Jan 19 5.52pm Send a Private Message to eagleman13 Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add eagleman13 as a friend

Originally posted by mattteo

I joined but I wasn't active. After i joined I think I only came back after about 6-7 months. And yes, I said Benteke for that much money was a mistake from the first minute I posted here.

Don't rise to it, he's just being pedantic, bit like most of the posters on HOL these days

 


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View dp's Profile dp Flag Tunbridge Wells 25 Jan 19 8.11pm Send a Private Message to dp Add dp as a friend

Originally posted by eagleman13

Don't rise to it, he's just being pedantic, bit like most of the posters on HOL these days

Itís nothing personal, but if someone says that they said something and claim to have been proved right, then I always think it is important that they did actually say whatever it is they claim to have said, in the context they claim to have said it.

If that makes me a pedant then so be it.

Edited by dp (25 Jan 2019 8.11pm)

 

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View ddjdd's Profile ddjdd Flag Chichester 25 Jan 19 8.26pm Send a Private Message to ddjdd Add ddjdd as a friend

Originally posted by dp

Itís nothing personal, but if someone says that they said something and claim to have been proved right, then I always think it is important that they did actually say whatever it is they claim to have said, in the context they claim to have said it.

If that makes me a pedant then so be it.

Edited by dp (25 Jan 2019 8.11pm)

Give it a rest mate, not the first time i've seen you derail threads with your irritating nitpicking

 

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View dp's Profile dp Flag Tunbridge Wells 25 Jan 19 8.37pm Send a Private Message to dp Add dp as a friend

Originally posted by ddjdd

Give it a rest mate, not the first time i've seen you derail threads with your irritating nitpicking

Fine. Sorry to have derailed a thread about us signing Gayle.

 

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View mattteo's Profile mattteo Flag 25 Jan 19 8.41pm Send a Private Message to mattteo Add mattteo as a friend

I don't think dp meant any offence by it, he just doesn't remember the many times I've said that it will be next to impossible for Benteke to get back to his form from Genk and first Aston Villa days.

He wants proof from me, but a search option for old posts on this site is not available. However, if I could I would go back in time and point you to the exact times when I put Cheryshev from Villarreal or Nils Petersen from Freiburg or Jony from Malaga on the top of my wishlist, who went on to become one of the best players at the World Cup, one of Bundesliga's top scorers from a relegation team a Germany national team member and top assister this season in the Primera Division.

And many more. These posts still exist, if I knew how to search them I really would and prove dp.

 

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View dp's Profile dp Flag Tunbridge Wells 26 Jan 19 8.51pm Send a Private Message to dp Add dp as a friend

Originally posted by mattteo

I don't think dp meant any offence by it, he just doesn't remember the many times I've said that it will be next to impossible for Benteke to get back to his form from Genk and first Aston Villa days.

He wants proof from me, but a search option for old posts on this site is not available. However, if I could I would go back in time and point you to the exact times when I put Cheryshev from Villarreal or Nils Petersen from Freiburg or Jony from Malaga on the top of my wishlist, who went on to become one of the best players at the World Cup, one of Bundesliga's top scorers from a relegation team a Germany national team member and top assister this season in the Primera Division.

And many more. These posts still exist, if I knew how to search them I really would and prove dp.

No offence intended at all. You donít need to prove yourself to me. Quite the opposite infact. I have previously said how talented I think you are and if I could get you to accept that you are not always (but often) right and that others opinions are worthy of taking into account then you would be highly investable.

However, sorry for being annoying, it wasnít intentional. I wonít outstay my welcome.

 

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