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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 26 Mar 19 3.57pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by dollardays

They certainly have a very playground mentality to engage in such behaviour, that much I do agree with. Perhaps expecting a 'What would Jesus Do?' style reaction from the target of being compared to a monkey due to your race isn't very realistic either though.

People deal with abuse in their own way.

I would argue that abuse is abuse. The racial element seems to give some people an opportunity to become disproportionately outraged in comparison to other abuse.

I would argue that a culture that encourages this kind of selective outrage is one that encourages the use of that specific abuse. That seems inevitable if it appears effective in terms of antagonising the victim.

 

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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

People deal with abuse in their own way.

I would argue that abuse is abuse. The racial element seems to give some people an opportunity to become disproportionately outraged in comparison to other abuse.

I would argue that a culture that encourages this kind of selective outrage is one that encourages the use of that specific abuse. That seems inevitable if it appears effective in terms of antagonising the victim.

You appear to be more offended by a reaction to racist abuse, than the abuse itself.

There will always be certain behaviour that people don't want to see in the game. Racist abuse would be at the top of a great many lists. That being the case it factors into peoples' thinking. If you want to be part of a club and share in their successes, you adhere to basic conventions along the way.

As I stated if this is a norm in some countries domestically then okay. If that's the distasteful culture I'm not suggesting swooping in and changing the world, they can sort out their own problems. International tournaments differ though and if you wish to engage on that level the world is then your audience, not just those in the terraces.

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 26 Mar 19 6.23pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by dollardays

You appear to be more offended by a reaction to racist abuse, than the abuse itself.

There will always be certain behaviour that people don't want to see in the game. Racist abuse would be at the top of a great many lists. That being the case it factors into peoples' thinking. If you want to be part of a club and share in their successes, you adhere to basic conventions along the way.

As I stated if this is a norm in some countries domestically then okay. If that's the distasteful culture I'm not suggesting swooping in and changing the world, they can sort out their own problems. International tournaments differ though and if you wish to engage on that level the world is then your audience, not just those in the terraces.

I don't know how you come to that conclusion.

Whatever you say about the subject there still has to be a reasonable and practical approach that actually does something or else it is a waste of time and money.

When you put racial abuse on a pedestal above other abuse and anti social behaviour, you have created a problem for yourself which you have no practical solution for.
It also guarantees that the type of attention seekers who indulge in such behaviour will still see it as effective and therefor carry on doing it..

 

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View PalazioVecchio's Profile PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 26 Mar 19 6.45pm Send a Private Message to PalazioVecchio Add PalazioVecchio as a friend

Ever heard of a white person being called a monkey by a group of Africans?

Watch "the last king of scotland" make sure to phone the Samaritans if u find it all too traumatic

 


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View dollardays's Profile dollardays Flag 26 Mar 19 6.54pm Send a Private Message to dollardays Add dollardays as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I don't know how you come to that conclusion.

Whatever you say about the subject there still has to be a reasonable and practical approach that actually does something or else it is a waste of time and money.

When you put racial abuse on a pedestal above other abuse and anti social behaviour, you have created a problem for yourself which you have no practical solution for.
It also guarantees that the type of attention seekers who indulge in such behaviour will still see it as effective and therefor carry on doing it..

If I'm at a game with my family and someone is behaving like that to one of our players I won't be 'oh never mind' I'll tell you that much. I'll tell them exactly what I think. It cuts both ways.

I appreciate that different cultures have various takes on things. On the international stage though, there is a standard you are expected to uphold. This isn't new, and what happened clearly was racist. People can behave how they wish, not just fans, players too. I'll take a dignified objection to being subject to racism, over mindless monkey chants as my measure of who's in the wrong.

 

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Pussay Patrol Flag 26 Mar 19 7.11pm

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

Ever heard of a white person being called a monkey by a group of Africans?

Watch "the last king of scotland" make sure to phone the Samaritans if u find it all too traumatic

So this is the usual post that tries to justify racism by taking another tenuously related subject and suggesting if you can find an alternate wrong, both wrongs somehow make a right?

It does make you wonder the motives of people who go to great length to deny or trivialise the race issue every time it appears

 


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View SW19 CPFC's Profile SW19 CPFC Flag Addiscombe 26 Mar 19 7.14pm Send a Private Message to SW19 CPFC Add SW19 CPFC as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

You don't know that fistycuffs is a quaint term used to describe fighting usually where no blow is actually struck.

And you expect me to take you seriously?

Oh come on. Seriously?

Its Fisticuffs. Im still keen to find out where your fisty cuff is though. Id trademark that if I were you, before the sex toy industry gets a hold of it.

And you expect me to take you seriously?

 


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View SW19 CPFC's Profile SW19 CPFC Flag Addiscombe 26 Mar 19 7.16pm Send a Private Message to SW19 CPFC Add SW19 CPFC as a friend

Originally posted by dollardays

If I'm at a game with my family and someone is behaving like that to one of our players I won't be 'oh never mind' I'll tell you that much. I'll tell them exactly what I think. It cuts both ways.

I appreciate that different cultures have various takes on things. On the international stage though, there is a standard you are expected to uphold. This isn't new, and what happened clearly was racist. People can behave how they wish, not just fans, players too. I'll take a dignified objection to being subject to racism, over mindless monkey chants as my measure of who's in the wrong.

Seconded. Sadly Ive had to do that in the Holmesdale, 2 seasons ago. Complete yokels behind us. Thankfully they are no longer season ticket holders. Total pricks.

 


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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 26 Mar 19 8.29pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

Oh come on. Seriously?

Its Fisticuffs. Im still keen to find out where your fisty cuff is though. Id trademark that if I were you, before the sex toy industry gets a hold of it.

And you expect me to take you seriously?

It's actually either and it was originally with the Y.

A little knowledge....

Please don't reply unless you have something interesting to say.

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 26 Mar 19 8.38pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by dollardays

If I'm at a game with my family and someone is behaving like that to one of our players I won't be 'oh never mind' I'll tell you that much. I'll tell them exactly what I think. It cuts both ways.

I appreciate that different cultures have various takes on things. On the international stage though, there is a standard you are expected to uphold. This isn't new, and what happened clearly was racist. People can behave how they wish, not just fans, players too. I'll take a dignified objection to being subject to racism, over mindless monkey chants as my measure of who's in the wrong.

Well good for you.

I can tell you that I have never witnessed any racism at a football match. I remember John Fashanu getting stick when his brother was revealed as gay but nothing beyond that.
I am aware that people were abused in the '70s and '80s
but never saw it. My conclusion is that media exposure has perpetuated a problem that barely has existed since then.
What goes on in other countries is a separate issue but that won't stop the media stoking the fires of resentment.


Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (26 Mar 2019 8.39pm)

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 26 Mar 19 8.48pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

So this is the usual post that tries to justify racism by taking another tenuously related subject and suggesting if you can find an alternate wrong, both wrongs somehow make a right?

It does make you wonder the motives of people who go to great length to deny or trivialise the race issue every time it appears

Funny how people like you read trying to put things into perspective as trivialising and condoning.

If the worst thing that ever happens to me is being verbally abused by a bunch of morons, I will be quite happy. That doesn't make it right or acceptable.

Happens on here all the time.

 

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View dollardays's Profile dollardays Flag 26 Mar 19 9.15pm Send a Private Message to dollardays Add dollardays as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Well good for you.

I can tell you that I have never witnessed any racism at a football match.
I remember John Fashanu getting stick when his brother was revealed as gay but nothing beyond that.
I am aware that people were abused in the '70s and '80s
but never saw it
. My conclusion is that media exposure has perpetuated a problem that barely has existed since then.
What goes on in other countries is a separate issue but that won't stop the media stoking the fires of resentment.


Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (26 Mar 2019 8.39pm)

On account that you don't view monkey chants aimed at black players to be racist, I certainly don't doubt that you haven't witnessed racism. What happened is an example of people being abused due to their race now. so nevermind the 70s.

I've told you that if I saw it I'd say something. Apparently if you heard it you'd see it as childish and be unhappy at anyone voicing objection. Well, that's for you isn't it. The easy way out vs standing against something that most would and rightly do view as out of order.

 

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