So many artisan gins around these days, I was reading about an elephant dung based gin the other day.

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As this thread is supposed to be about smoking I'll have to wonder if anyone has included dog ends as one of their botanicals

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Pretty sure my mum managed to combine the two ingredients a few times.
The Standard had a list of odd gin flavours including turkey, clotted cream, Yorkshire Tea, seaweed and ant. Can’t see what flavour ants would add but who knows? They might be delicious.

Smoking does your health no favours even if it doesn't kill you, so I'm not sure of this idea that the majority of smokers breeze through inhaling smoke and poison unharmed like something out of a dream.

"the risk of developing lung cancer is about 23 times higher in male smokers compared to non-smokers; smoking is associated with increased risk of at least 15 types of cancer"

And that's cancer alone. I'm sure we all have family members with COPD and losing limbs due to messing up veins isn't even remotely rare.

"A study of more than 200,000 people, published this week in BMC medicine, found about 67 percent of smokers perished from smoking-related illness." - [Link]

'we have a shelf life' 'when your numbers up'.. None of these cliches mean anything.

It's simple to just say, 'I'm going to smoke because I want to and I'm addicted, and I'm willing to take any health implications on the chin and any misery or illness smoking brings my family due to me wiping out my own health is tough sh!t because smoking is my number one'.

That's the reality for addicts of anything. That's 'getting real'. All of this dragging healthy people dying young into it or imagining yourself potentially getting stabbed or run over as reason why you should light up and abuse your own health is just cobbled together justification for a cr@p health choice. Addict mentally in full force.

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Look i know how bad it is and know the dangers.
Helps with stress though and as a non smoker you might not beleive that i get it.
I dont smoke around non smokers.
Giving up is in my mind its only what vape to get to try.
Dont want to carry one of those liquid ones as theyre huge and too much smoke.
Saw an advert for a vype which is much smaller.
I may give it a go.
I have seen though that ex smokers seem a lot more unforgiving than never smokers.
Sort of i know best as ive done it mentality.

How would you choose to go then.
The majority of smokers don’t get these illnesses.
It is more likely if youre going to get it but not a guarantee.
Like I say what is a good way to go.
Bus train stabbed shot
Just laying in a bed with all your folks around you with jelly and ice cream, fun fair feelings.
Heart attack in front of your family.
I knew some fit and healthy people and they are dead
3 direct relatives and friends as well, basically when the big man up top drags your number out. You is gone mate.
Think like that and hope it isn’t your number and live life don’t covert it as it’s not long enough to worry about.
Morbid enough now.?
Get real.
We will all want one more breath but sadly we have a shelf life.
We’ve all got it coming and nagging people to live to a 135 years old doesn’t cut it.
I could get asbestosis with my apprenticeship on building sites.
But no doubt it will be “ he smoked”
And funnily enough I do like smoking, do no alcoholics like drinking then?