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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag Chatham 19 Mar 19 11.41pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

This might come as a shock but you can't drink sea water.

It has to be desalinated. THat is not a simple task. If it was, all those hugely expensive dams would not need to have been built.

Well in Dubai there are some tasty golf courses and it doesnt rain very much there.
Desalination is not cost effective on anything but a massive scale and requires huge investment.
If the establishment are that worried im sure that processes will/would be in place to start some
R and D into this.
Its yet another way to justify increasing costs for our basic life giving everyday needs.
More people needs more finance to keep society moderatly sane.
Think ulez congestion condensing boilers outlawing gas all the old bollox and this is just another one to add to the list.
Watch this space as this report will be used for that purpose in time.
Just as we get a noahs ark type deluge you can bet.

 

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View Sir James Hird's Profile Sir James Hird Flag Mount Martha 20 Mar 19 5.30am Send a Private Message to Sir James Hird Add Sir James Hird as a friend

Although rainwater is unfair in its ultimate destination, it does happen. It may be practical to divert it to storage (dams) more than we currently do.
Many countries including mine, watch it flood unnecessarily and cause economic issues.
We need to be smarter.
Desalination is a practical back-up. many countries do have them including Australia, South Africa and Dubai.

 

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View Pussay Patrol's Profile Pussay Patrol Flag 20 Mar 19 6.04am Send a Private Message to Pussay Patrol Add Pussay Patrol as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger


I have been warning about the disastrous path this country is taking by increasing its population so quickly.

The powers that are driving this don't care about the general population.
Surely even the most left leaning people can see where this is heading.


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So what keeps you awake at night is Immigration, Immigration, Immigration and irrigation?

 


Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah

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View Midlands Eagle's Profile Midlands Eagle Flag 20 Mar 19 6.55am Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

This thread may well have been titled "Water shortages in only 25 years." but really it was just another immigration thread.

As most of us are fed up with discussing immigration on almost every thread from now on there will be just the one thread (this one) and any further threads that diversify into immigration will be merged into this one

 

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View dannyboy1978's Profile dannyboy1978 Flag 20 Mar 19 7.26am Send a Private Message to dannyboy1978 Add dannyboy1978 as a friend

Cloud seeding, job done

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 20 Mar 19 7.32am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

I was surprised by the comments from the Environment Agency Head he is pointing the finger at the consumers.

The biggest wasters of water are the water companies and their pathetic failure to repair leaks. I don't have the figures to hand but I recall that in Germany it is next to nothing and for us it is massive.

There is no water shortage the government and OFWAT need to order the companies to get their act together, problem solved.

 


One more point

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag Wisbech, England 20 Mar 19 9.08am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

This might come as a shock but you can't drink sea water.

It has to be desalinated. THat is not a simple task. If it was, all those hugely expensive dams would not need to have been built.

As you know I agree with your population point. When it comes to the water issue though I think this chap isn't exactly unbiased.

There are ways and means for us to solve any issue. When it comes to water it is purely a technical problem and costs are relative.....and as the technology is more widely used costs come down anyway.

I think the more pressing issue with population increase is power......Power stations take a long time to build.....and we seem to be placing the responsibility for them into foreign hands.

Edited by Stirlingsays (20 Mar 2019 9.08am)

 

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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 20 Mar 19 9.26am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

So what keeps you awake at night is Immigration, Immigration, Immigration and irrigation?

You do have a sense of humour. Very very good.

 


COYP

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag Wisbech, England 20 Mar 19 9.32am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

You do have a sense of humour. Very very good.

Yet he's the one who emigrated.

 

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View Harborough Eagle's Profile Harborough Eagle Flag Market Harborough, Leicestershire 20 Mar 19 9.47am Send a Private Message to Harborough Eagle Add Harborough Eagle as a friend

There is defintely a problem as you only need to look at reservoir levels. I doubt that is in dispute. Listen to the Northeners and they will say they have plenty and its all about distribution from where they have hit and where its needed in more populated areas. The EA needs to do more than just tell us to save water but get the big water companies to invest and also sort out the leaks in the system which as Badger said is a big contributor.
I live on the canal system and whilst it is a closed system the levels last year caused problems for boaters more in the North of the Country than the midlands where I live. Reservoir levels have not recovered properly and we are still wasting too much through leakage. Why is there no investemnt in de-salination...seem to find money for other expensive eco projects.

Originally posted by Badger11

I was surprised by the comments from the Environment Agency Head he is pointing the finger at the consumers.

The biggest wasters of water are the water companies and their pathetic failure to repair leaks. I don't have the figures to hand but I recall that in Germany it is next to nothing and for us it is massive.

There is no water shortage the government and OFWAT need to order the companies to get their act together, problem solved.

 


Red and Blue though and through (more than 50 years)

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 20 Mar 19 10.03am Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

Water cannot leave the planet.
It just deposits in different areas.
Weather is cyclical.
Not enough historical data has been collected over enough years to catergorically state this about water shortages.
Is the hidden message more about population rather than the gallons reducing in the reservoirs.

This is not about the amount of water on Earth, it is about making it available for people to use and drink.

I'd have thought that it was fairly obvious that too many users would become a problem quite soon. We can't get through a dry summer these days without a hosepipe ban.


 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 20 Mar 19 10.12am Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

As you know I agree with your population point. When it comes to the water issue though I think this chap isn't exactly unbiased.

There are ways and means for us to solve any issue. When it comes to water it is purely a technical problem and costs are relative.....and as the technology is more widely used costs come down anyway.

I think the more pressing issue with population increase is power......Power stations take a long time to build.....and we seem to be placing the responsibility for them into foreign hands.

Edited by Stirlingsays (20 Mar 2019 9.08am)

You are correct. It is a technical problem, but so is going to Mars.
How much will it cost and how long will it take to bring water supply up to the required standard? Who will pay for this?

You know the answer.

I am skeptical about the government's ability to deliver water at the required level. With the population continuing to increase at an alarming rate, how do you know what is enough?

The same can be applied to Power.

 

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