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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag Wisbech, England 20 Mar 19 11.40am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Apparently using DNA sampling from a relative and comparing to biological traces left on a shawl at a confirmed Ripper murder it appears the murderer was a then 23-year-old Polish barber by the name of Aaron Kosminski.

There are the usual objections such as there is no way to conclusively prove that this shawl was the one found at the scene, or/and that it was not somehow contaminated.

Still, a compelling development.

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 20 Mar 19 11.51am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

I love these mysteries every couple of years some one announces they have proof who the ripper is this time is does seem fairly conclusive as long as the DNA tests hold up.


Patricia Cornwall has previously claimed to identify the ripper using DNA it was supposed to be an English artist. Her critics pointed out:

1. The DNA test used was not the one police use today so rather than a 1 in millions standard her test would have applied to tens of thousands of men in London at the time. (False positive).

2. The DNA sample was from a letter sent by JTR but many critics claim the letter is a fake.

To summarise:

The letter may have be written by JTR and she has identified him or

The letter was written by the artist or someone else as a hoax so the DNA is irrelevant.

 


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View sickboy's Profile sickboy Flag Dordogne 20 Mar 19 11.55am Send a Private Message to sickboy Add sickboy as a friend

Might i suggest reading Bruce Robinsons book, They all love Jack: Busting the ripper. Bloody good read. Took him 15 years to research and write.

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag Wisbech, England 20 Mar 19 11.56am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

I love these mysteries every couple of years some one announces they have proof who the ripper is this time is does seem fairly conclusive as long as the DNA tests hold up.


Patricia Cornwall has previously claimed to identify the ripper using DNA it was supposed to be an English artist. Her critics pointed out:

1. The DNA test used was not the one police use today so rather than a 1 in millions standard her test would have applied to tens of thousands of men in London at the time. (False positive).

2. The DNA sample was from a letter sent by JTR but many critics claim the letter is a fake.

To summarise:

The letter may have be written by JTR and she has identified him or

The letter was written by the artist or someone else as a hoax so the DNA is irrelevant.

The 'Ripper' letters are almost certainly hoaxes....so I think all of those criticisms have validity.

This development seems rather more promising though as you say perhaps it will also similarly be picked apart.

If the DNA test is above board and kosher and the only objections are on the part of the physical evidence....then it's a pretty strong claim....but a claim nevertheless.

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag Wisbech, England 20 Mar 19 11.59am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by sickboy

Might i suggest reading Bruce Robinsons book, They all love Jack: Busting the ripper. Bloody good read. Took him 15 years to research and write.

Is that the same Bruce Robinson who directed Withnail and I?

 

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View sickboy's Profile sickboy Flag Dordogne 20 Mar 19 12.01pm Send a Private Message to sickboy Add sickboy as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Is that the same Bruce Robinson who directed Withnail and I?

It is indeed.

 

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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Online Flag 20 Mar 19 1.33pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

There are also some interesting books about the unsolved Hammersmith murders in 1964/5. There were eight, possibly 10 victims, but the case is largely forgotten.
Robin Jarossi’s book is probably the most accessible, Dick Kirby’s is functional. David Seabrook’s Jack of Jumps is probably the best but is rather unsympathetic toward the victims.

 

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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

There are also some interesting books about the unsolved Hammersmith murders in 1964/5. There were eight, possibly 10 victims, but the case is largely forgotten.
Robin Jarossi’s book is probably the most accessible, Dick Kirby’s is functional. David Seabrook’s Jack of Jumps is probably the best but is rather unsympathetic toward the victims.

There was a documentary on BBC4 about the Hammersmith murders. Linked it back to a child murderer from Wales.

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View eritheagle's Profile eritheagle Flag Erith 20 Mar 19 2.23pm Send a Private Message to eritheagle Add eritheagle as a friend

I love the Jack the Ripper mystery but it bugs me that we'll never know who he/she was.
I used to be convinced that it was an artist living in Camden as there were similar murders around there at that time and when he died they all stopped. Also, there is a picture he painted entitled something like "view from Jack's room".
I recently have heard good arguments about it being a woman (able to go about undetected and part of lady's clothing found near one of the bodies).
But also saw an excellent programme by the great grandson of the 'Castle of horrors' US mass serial killer H H Holmes. They had evidence that he was in the area at the time and was more than capable of killing in a similar way.

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 20 Mar 19 2.48pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by eritheagle

I love the Jack the Ripper mystery but it bugs me that we'll never know who he/she was.
I used to be convinced that it was an artist living in Camden as there were similar murders around there at that time and when he died they all stopped. Also, there is a picture he painted entitled something like "view from Jack's room".
I recently have heard good arguments about it being a woman (able to go about undetected and part of lady's clothing found near one of the bodies).
But also saw an excellent programme by the great grandson of the 'Castle of horrors' US mass serial killer H H Holmes. They had evidence that he was in the area at the time and was more than capable of killing in a similar way.

Edited by eritheagle (20 Mar 2019 2.24pm)

I saw that series a crazy theory that the American serial killer HH Holmes who is believed to have killed around 200 people was in fact JTR.

I don't believe it is correct as JTR was an opportunistic sexual sadist. HH Holmes killed people for money and to avoid being caught. Holmes killed people mainly by poison so the way the victims were killed is rather different.

That said they uncovered so many similarities and coincidences between the two men it did make me wonder for a while.

It was on the History channel well worth a watch.

Edited by Badger11 (20 Mar 2019 2.49pm)

 


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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 20 Mar 19 3.04pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

The Ripper thing has always irritated me.

The real story of the Ripper is police incompetence.

If you cut through all the sensationalism, ignore the fake letters and multiple theories about foreigners, the real culprit is fairly obvious.

A man who a policeman found over the body of a victim who had just been killed and with no one else in sight. His walk to work took him close to all the slayings and he worked with meat. Duh!

Charles Cross (Charles Lechmere)

 

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Originally posted by Badger11

I saw that series a crazy theory that the American serial killer HH Holmes who is believed to have killed around 200 people was in fact JTR.

I don't believe it is correct as JTR was an opportunistic sexual sadist. HH Holmes killed people for money and to avoid being caught. Holmes killed people mainly by poison so the way the victims were killed is rather different.

That said they uncovered so many similarities and coincidences between the two men it did make me wonder for a while.

It was on the History channel well worth a watch.

Edited by Badger11 (20 Mar 2019 2.49pm)


The theory was utter cobblers but the lady investigator Amaryllis was super hot.

 

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