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View theacademic's Profile theacademic Flag 17 Apr 19 1.56am Send a Private Message to theacademic Add theacademic as a friend

Hi all,

I am involved in a research study looking at fans' views of sex and gender classification in sport and I am hoping you can spare a few minutes of your time to share your thoughts in an online survey: [Link]

Thanks in advance.

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 17 Apr 19 8.20am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Hollers

Just completed this survey. I am not pro or Anti Transgender but this survey is not impartial and is full of loaded questions quite clearly an agenda going on here.

 


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View ASCPFC's Profile ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 17 Apr 19 3.17pm Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

Found the straight yes or no a little hard to deal with. Required nuance in the comments.
I will say straight up that I don't believe female athletes and sportspeople will be able to fairly compete against people born as male in many areas of sport - particularly physically. Skillswise there is little problem.

 


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ChrisGC Flag Wantage 17 Apr 19 3.33pm

Not hard to see how 50% of school leavers go to uni.

Not worth the paper it's written on.

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 17 Apr 19 3.35pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

I found the 'rainbow' running track highly amusing.

Can't be bothered to contribute to clowns.

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 17 Apr 19 3.56pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by ASCPFC

Found the straight yes or no a little hard to deal with. Required nuance in the comments.
I will say straight up that I don't believe female athletes and sportspeople will be able to fairly compete against people born as male in many areas of sport - particularly physically. Skillswise there is little problem.

Agreed and their agenda wasn't even subtle. What annoys me if this had been produced by the LBGT community well would what you expect. The three people are academics so I would have hoped for a more nuanced and impartial survey.

Instead we got the type of opinion poll that political parties produce e.g. if Labour you ask questions such as:

Who is stronger on NHS, Welfare, Pensions, Benefits etc.

I don't know who they're bosses are but I would take them to task for shoddy work "must do better".

 


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View eagleman13's Profile eagleman13 Flag On The Road To Hell & Alicante 17 Apr 19 4.19pm Send a Private Message to eagleman13 Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add eagleman13 as a friend

Looked at it, took your advice Badger, ignored it.

 


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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 17 Apr 19 4.56pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Been thinking about this. I hope the people behind this survey realise they are talking to the wrong people.

As a man I couldn't care less if a woman footballer declared as a man she will not be physically good enough to compete in the men's game at any decent level.

If a man declares as a women I still don't care because I tend not to watch women's sport. In other words I have no skin in the game.

The people who should be asked are women competitors and supporters as these are the ones most impacted. I hope that these academics take that into account.

 


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View dollardays's Profile dollardays Flag 17 Apr 19 5.09pm Send a Private Message to dollardays Add dollardays as a friend

Completed. You've send HOL into panic attack territory it seems

Edited by dollardays (17 Apr 2019 5.52pm)

 

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View dollardays's Profile dollardays Flag 17 Apr 19 5.11pm Send a Private Message to dollardays Add dollardays as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

Been thinking about this. I hope the people behind this survey realise they are talking to the wrong people.

As a man I couldn't care less if a woman footballer declared as a man she will not be physically good enough to compete in the men's game at any decent level.

If a man declares as a women I still don't care because I tend not to watch women's sport. In other words I have no skin in the game.

The people who should be asked are women competitors and supporters as these are the ones most impacted. I hope that these academics take that into account.


Good observation. My take is that as you have to state your gender in the survey, part of its purpose may be to see if there are differences between the responses of men and women.

I completed the survey and thought the format was very open ended, rather than trying to push for certain reponses. For what it's worth I uniformly said that I thought it was a bad idea to allow trans women to perform in womens sports.


 

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View Casual's Profile Casual Flag Orpington 17 Apr 19 6.52pm Send a Private Message to Casual Add Casual as a friend

Originally posted by dollardays


Good observation. My take is that as you have to state your gender in the survey, part of its purpose may be to see if there are differences between the responses of men and women.

I completed the survey and thought the format was very open ended, rather than trying to push for certain reponses. For what it's worth I uniformly said that I thought it was a bad idea to allow trans women to perform in womens sports.



Agree with the last bit.
If straight men in Thailand will have a sex operation and spend their life getting boned by 80 year old westerners to earn a living, what would stop 3rd world ( almost good enough , sportsmen, from trangendering to women ), earning decent money , then switching back when they retire?
Load of sh*t really.
Be who you want, f*ck who you want (consentually obviously) but competing as a woman , with male attributes is no good.

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 17 Apr 19 7.02pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by dollardays


Good observation. My take is that as you have to state your gender in the survey, part of its purpose may be to see if there are differences between the responses of men and women.

I completed the survey and thought the format was very open ended, rather than trying to push for certain reponses. For what it's worth I uniformly said that I thought it was a bad idea to allow trans women to perform in womens sports.


Fair point and hopefully they will ask Mumsnet for their views.

 


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