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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 07 May 19 9.41am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

The BBC did this some years ago I thought I'd like to see what the Hol thinks.

Name the British man and woman you thinks deserves the title of Greatest and why.

Man - Winston Churchill
He had his faults but the people who find fault in this country and it's history would themselves be history if it wasn't for him and his inspired leadership during WW2.

Woman - Elizabeth I
It was a tight call between her and Florence Nightingale but Liz just about wins it.

She played the game of thrones to perfection. Whilst her cousin Mary let her heart rule her head and got used and abused by the Scottish nobility she kept her head. She knew as soon as she married she lost power so she played her suitors and their countries off against each other always letting them think that had a chance.

She wasn't just a figurehead she had real power and used it. Whilst a protestant she didn't want to persecute Catholics and did her best to reign in her more bigoted ministers in a bigoted age.

During the Armada she showed real leadership and made a great speech which was all PR but still good stuff.

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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 07 May 19 10.02am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Could be as close as the title race is this year but because we know our likely fate of slavery and misery if we lost WWII, Id probably go with Winston C for me. Both look equally impressive though.

 


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View Tom-the-eagle's Profile Tom-the-eagle Flag Croydon 07 May 19 10.59am Send a Private Message to Tom-the-eagle Add Tom-the-eagle as a friend

Churchill and Elizabeth || for me.

One a sour faced old drunk and the other a former prime minister.

 


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View Midlands Eagle's Profile Midlands Eagle Flag 07 May 19 11.04am Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Can we keep the suggestions reasonably sensible please

 

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View YT's Profile YT Flag Oxford 07 May 19 11.21am Send a Private Message to YT Add YT as a friend

William Caxton
Edith Cavell

 


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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 07 May 19 11.35am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by YT

William Caxton
Edith Cavell

Recently a Belgium neighbour showed me a medal one of her female relatives won in WW1. She was a nurse and was helping allied prisoners escape the same as Edith. She was captured by the Germans and spent 2/3 years in prison unlike Edith she was not shot and survived.

Both brave ladies.

 


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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 07 May 19 12.08pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

For me, people are just people so they no one deserves an accolade for doing what they thought was the right thing.
If you want someone who's decisions changed Britain for the better I'd go Henry VIII.
For his own selfish reasons, he released us from the clutches of the Roman Catholic church and all that goes with it. Thanks Henry.

Women? They didn't matter until the 20th century, unless they were royal of course. One would have to give credit to Elizabeth I for her role in defending Britain from the Spanish and keeping Spanish Catholic rule away.

You have to mention Churchill but I'm sure there are many others who contributed something meaningful.
Orwell, Shakespeare, Newton, Faraday, Watson and Crick in the arts and science department, the list is very long.
You could flag up the Duke of Wellington or even Cromwell. It's all subjective.
Some might even say Thatcher, even if is just to annoy the tiresome Lefties.

 

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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Can we keep the suggestions reasonably sensible please

Spoilsport!

I was going to go with Jeremy Corbyn and Theresa May.....Who could disagree.

Newton
Thatcher

I'd like to go with Churchill but without the war he would have been long forgotten.....whereas Newton made his impacts regardless of the world events around him.

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Elizabeth I can't really be considered a Briton as she died a long time before the act of union came in.

Really anyone before 1707 isn't a Briton.

 

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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Some might even say Thatcher, even if is just to annoy the tiresome Lefties.

Actually I did consider nominating her.

For anyone old enough to have lived through the country being run (or ruined) by trade unions she changed the system back to Government by elected representatives

 

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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Elizabeth I can't really be considered a Briton as she died a long time before the act of union came in.

Really anyone before 1707 isn't a Briton.

Damn!
Looks like I will have to go with my second choice, Kate Bush.

 

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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Damn!
Looks like I will have to go with my second choice, Kate Bush.

Wow.

 

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