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View Maine Eagle's Profile Maine Eagle Flag USA 16 May 19 9.32pm Send a Private Message to Maine Eagle Add Maine Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

My concern would be for the welfare of children born into terrible circumstances.

Sadly, there are going to be victims in this no matter what.

I think, perhaps, for once.....we agree on something, partially.

The people trying to interfere in other's lives and tell women what they can and cannot do with their bodies, even in cases of rape and incest, wont be around to help bring the children up.

 


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View jeeagles's Profile jeeagles Flag 16 May 19 9.44pm Send a Private Message to jeeagles Add jeeagles as a friend

I agree that abortion is necessary. But the argument has lost sight.

Back when I was at school, when they talked about abortion, it was a somber subject, lot's of reasons where presented for and against it, and we came to the conclusion that it was the least bad option in many cases. Our elected members in parliament came to the same conclusion and abortion was legalised with strict rules around it.

Unfortunately, it seems times have changed and now the view is that abortion is simply a woman's right. Rape and poverty arguments are put forward, but all the women who I am aware of that have had one have clearly done it for convenience. Others have been forced into it by their partners, getting a woman to kill her unborn baby is almost if not as bad a rape, and an argument that's always overlooked.

From my perspective, people have oversimplified the argument to only say "It's a woman's right/choice". People were having parties when they passed abortion laws in ireland. This isn't respecting the sanctity of life in my opinion.

Now there's actresses in America calling for a sex strike to get men to pay attention. That's ridiculous. If you are passing a law to allow abortions on the basis that you'll get to have sex with your partner again then it's not taking the debate seriously.

I wish instead of people being so hysterical about how evil the other side were in this debate they could realise that both sides are compassionate, and there are no winners.


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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 16 May 19 9.52pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Maine Eagle

I think, perhaps, for once.....we agree on something, partially.

The people trying to interfere in other's lives and tell women what they can and cannot do with their bodies, even in cases of rape and incest, wont be around to help bring the children up.

I don't think the real world allows for any ideals in this.
I respect all sides of this argument unless they are based on religious dogma or political squabbling.

All I can say is that as a parent, I could not be part of or recommend abortion but do recognise that others in different circumstances might see it as the least worst option.

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 16 May 19 10.06pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Have you explained why a vote in Alabama is Donald Trump's fault yet Maine?

I'd give you till tomorrow or change the thread title if it were down to me.

 

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View Maine Eagle's Profile Maine Eagle Flag USA 16 May 19 10.27pm Send a Private Message to Maine Eagle Add Maine Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Have you explained why a vote in Alabama is Donald Trump's fault yet Maine?

I'd give you till tomorrow or change the thread title if it were down to me.

Well its very simple: He campaigned on it, taking a very hard line.

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Also his additions to the supreme court have led to this moment, as religious nutjobs finally believe now that they have a supreme court which will overturn Roe Vs Wade.

 


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ChrisGC Flag Wantage 16 May 19 10.33pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I'm against abortion.

I would compromise on six weeks as that's before a heartbeat. This is the nature of the law that's passed.

In 2017, approximately 206,880 abortions took place in Great Britain, up from 202,469 in 2016, 203,096 in 2015, 201,868 in 2014, and 202,746 in 2013.

Approximately 20% of all pregnancies in Great Britain (excluding spontaneous miscarriages) currently end in abortion.

The highest abortion rates* belong to Merseyside (20.0), London (19.7+1), and Greater Manchester (19.7); the lowest abortion rates belong to Bath, Gloucestershire, Swindon and Wiltshire (12.6), Derbyshire (13.0), and East Anglia (13.2).

Not in my name.

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Edited by Stirlingsays (16 May 2019 7.35pm)

6 weeks?

Given the state of some of the posts on this website I reckon there's a strong case for extending it to about 70 years!

 

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View Penge Eagle's Profile Penge Eagle Flag Beckenham 16 May 19 10.36pm Send a Private Message to Penge Eagle Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Penge Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Maine Eagle

Well its very simple: He campaigned on it, taking a very hard line.

[Link]

Also his additions to the supreme court have led to this moment, as religious nutjobs finally believe now that they have a supreme court which will overturn Roe Vs Wade.

So what he campaigned on it! The state of Alabama democratically came to this decision. I know you don't like democracy when it's not in your favour such as Brexit and Trump but it's how civilised societies work.

Funny how you seem to think Christians are "nutjobs"...

Edited by Penge Eagle (16 May 2019 11.35pm)

 

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View PalazioVecchio's Profile PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 16 May 19 11.59pm Send a Private Message to PalazioVecchio Add PalazioVecchio as a friend

recently the fertility statistics for Japan nosedived.

the whole japanese race could go the same way as the Dodo, the white rhino, the Panda .....highly endangered.

and where the japanese go, the rest of us will often follow. Sky high house prices, elderly population, the young adults remaining childless and often single.

and then the gaps in the labour market make mass immigration inevitable. Who will help you lug that piano up the stairs ?

Edited by PalazioVecchio (17 May 2019 12.09am)

 


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View Maine Eagle's Profile Maine Eagle Flag USA 17 May 19 1.55am Send a Private Message to Maine Eagle Add Maine Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Penge Eagle

So what he campaigned on it! The state of Alabama democratically came to this decision. I know you don't like democracy when it's not in your favour such as Brexit and Trump but it's how civilised societies work.

Funny how you seem to think Christians are "nutjobs"...

Edited by Penge Eagle (16 May 2019 11.35pm)

Alabama are doing this for 2 reasons:

1 - They have a supporter of this extreme restriction on abortions in the President.
2 - Trump's supreme court picks will tow the right wing religious zealot line.

Funny how you put words into people's mouths/keyboards.

I didnt say all Christian's are nutjobs, I said religious nutjob tea party freedom caucus folks are the ones trying to tell women what to do with their bodies.

 


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I'm torn. I think abortion is abhorrent and should be only for the most extreme of circumstances. A life is a life.

But i'm also aware that the world is grossly overpopulated and can't handle the amount of people in it.

Dunno.

(Not much contribution to the discussion, I know. But meh.)

 

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Originally posted by ChrisGC

6 weeks?

Given the state of some of the posts on this website I reckon there's a strong case for extending it to about 70 years!

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag Wisbech, England 17 May 19 5.18am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Maine Eagle

Well its very simple: He campaigned on it, taking a very hard line.

[Link]

Also his additions to the supreme court have led to this moment, as religious nutjobs finally believe now that they have a supreme court which will overturn Roe Vs Wade.

If Trump wins in 2020 and Ruth Ginsburg succumbs then it'll be another social conservative and you lot will be throwing so many paddies that the Irish will start thinking they can fly.

 

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