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View Ginger Pubic Wig's Profile Ginger Pubic Wig Flag Wickham de L'Ouest 18 Jun 19 6.45pm Send a Private Message to Ginger Pubic Wig Add Ginger Pubic Wig as a friend

or...let these tanker attacks keep happening until the rest of the world gets concerned. and if it doesn't, and if the barrels keep flowing, who cares? (might be the Trump administration mindset).

And just to be crystal...I'm firmly in the it-makes-no-sense-for-iran-to-do-this-so-it-might-not-be-iran camp.

 

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View silvertop's Profile silvertop Flag bristol 18 Jun 19 8.38pm Send a Private Message to silvertop Add silvertop as a friend

US administrations of either colour cannot exist without their bogey men can they? That Iran-bashing appeals to the unholy trilogy of Israel sunni Islam and his Christian right support doesn’t do trump any harm either?

Iran are no saints but the us does not seem to have learned from the Cuba crisis. Isolate and crush a nation and another power may fill the void. They are rather oil rich.

Suppose this time there won't be missiles aimed at them just off shore but this could seriously further destabilise an already unstable and critically important region

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Online Flag Wisbech, England 18 Jun 19 8.50pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by silvertop

US administrations of either colour cannot exist without their bogey men can they? That Iran-bashing appeals to the unholy trilogy of Israel sunni Islam and his Christian right support doesn’t do trump any harm either?

Iran are no saints but the us does not seem to have learned from the Cuba crisis. Isolate and crush a nation and another power may fill the void. They are rather oil rich.

Suppose this time there won't be missiles aimed at them just off shore but this could seriously further destabilise an already unstable and critically important region

On the other hand.....an Iran with nuclear weapons is introducing an aggressively anti Israeli power and allowing it nation destroying power.

There is the distinct possibility that unless you take out Iran's form of leadership now, far worse s***e is down the pipe later.

I don't know.

I'm just glad this decision isn't my monkey and not my circus.

Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Jun 2019 8.51pm)

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag Chatham 18 Jun 19 8.54pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

On the other hand.....an Iran with nuclear weapons is introducing an aggressively anti Israeli power and allowing it nation destroying power.

There is the distinct possibility that unless you take out Iran's form of leadership now, far worse s***e is down the pipe later.

I don't know.

I'm just glad this decision isn't my monkey and not my circus.

Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Jun 2019 8.51pm)

I don't really want to consider if a missile went Israel's way.
Bye bye Tehran would be my guess.

 

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View ChrisGC's Profile ChrisGC Flag Wantage 18 Jun 19 8.58pm Send a Private Message to ChrisGC Add ChrisGC as a friend

All these conspiracy theories.

Trump stopped paying the protection money and quite rightly sanctioned a terrorist nation so Iran torpedoed a couple of tankers. If they had red button capability they'd have used it.

Trumpy boy sends a couple of battalions to flex a bit of muscle, the locals loose off a few rounds into the air and burn the US flag.

The whole thing blows over. Storm in a tea cup.

 

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Originally posted by cryrst

I don't really want to consider if a missile went Israel's way.
Bye bye Tehran would be my guess.

Sounds ideal

 

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Originally posted by cryrst

I don't really want to consider if a missile went Israel's way.
Bye bye Tehran would be my guess.

Sure....but then?

It's a nightmare I'd rather not risk the consequences of.

It isn't just the danger of the actual attacks it's the power shift in the region.....a new cold war but in the middle east.....we were lucky to get out of the first one.

 

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View Ginger Pubic Wig's Profile Ginger Pubic Wig Flag Wickham de L'Ouest 19 Jun 19 2.21pm Send a Private Message to Ginger Pubic Wig Add Ginger Pubic Wig as a friend

Originally posted by ChrisGC

All these conspiracy theories.

Trump stopped paying the protection money and quite rightly sanctioned a terrorist nation so Iran torpedoed a couple of tankers. If they had red button capability they'd have used it.

Trumpy boy sends a couple of battalions to flex a bit of muscle, the locals loose off a few rounds into the air and burn the US flag.

The whole thing blows over. Storm in a tea cup.


It's a risky approach by Iran to blow up six tankers and allow its proxy in Yemen to target the giant East-West pipeline in Saudi.

Iran's best hope is to say much but do little. It has nothing to gain from this. It might be doing what you say, but it makes little sense.

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Online Flag Wisbech, England 19 Jun 19 2.30pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Ginger Pubic Wig

It's a risky approach by Iran to blow up six tankers and allow its proxy in Yemen to target the giant East-West pipeline in Saudi.

Iran's best hope is to say much but do little. It has nothing to gain from this. It might be doing what you say, but it makes little sense.

Mmmmm....possibly but I think you are under the impression that Iran is going to act in purely predictable ways........as in America there will be many aggressive voices for striking back in as many forms as possible.

What exactly are they risking exactly?

Are not the actions of North Korea and the west's responses to them ample evidence that the west doesn't undertake sudden 'no turning back' actions.

They likely know there's not going to be a war because of covert small scale tanker attacks.....perhaps they know that they can play the 'misinformation' game and have plenty of defenders in the west.

They know that if they are smart about it and strike back however they can they can show that there is a price to be paid for punishing them economically.

They know that all that's going to happen is that the US and anti Iranian forces will end up protecting the tankers and pipe lines......enacting a cost.

If the tankers are attacked then.....then we might scratch our heads.

Edited by Stirlingsays (19 Jun 2019 2.36pm)

 

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View Ginger Pubic Wig's Profile Ginger Pubic Wig Flag Wickham de L'Ouest 19 Jun 19 4.11pm Send a Private Message to Ginger Pubic Wig Add Ginger Pubic Wig as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Mmmmm....possibly but I think you are under the impression that Iran is going to act in purely predictable ways........as in America there will be many aggressive voices for striking back in as many forms as possible.

What exactly are they risking exactly?

Are not the actions of North Korea and the west's responses to them ample evidence that the west doesn't undertake sudden 'no turning back' actions.

They likely know there's not going to be a war because of covert small scale tanker attacks.....perhaps they know that they can play the 'misinformation' game and have plenty of defenders in the west.

They know that if they are smart about it and strike back however they can they can show that there is a price to be paid for punishing them economically.

They know that all that's going to happen is that the US and anti Iranian forces will end up protecting the tankers and pipe lines......enacting a cost.

If the tankers are attacked then.....then we might scratch our heads.

Edited by Stirlingsays (19 Jun 2019 2.36pm)

They are risking bombs landing in Tehran.

They are risking ships being bombed if they lift Iranian oil. (an easy reply)

Two very real and serious risks for Iran and the regime there.

Of course there are hardliners and factions, and I absolutely think Iran can be to blame.

But Israel's chance to attack Iran has about a one year window potentially...with an aggressive US president in situ and even more aggressive advisers around him.

Like I said though, it can easily also be Iran venting. It's just not a wise step so I see scope for a false flag.

 

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Originally posted by Ginger Pubic Wig

They are risking bombs landing in Tehran.

They are risking ships being bombed if they lift Iranian oil. (an easy reply)

Two very real and serious risks for Iran and the regime there.

Of course there are hardliners and factions, and I absolutely think Iran can be to blame.

But Israel's chance to attack Iran has about a one year window potentially...with an aggressive US president in situ and even more aggressive advisers around him.

Like I said though, it can easily also be Iran venting. It's just not a wise step so I see scope for a false flag.

I'd agree with you....it could be a false flag.

Israel and the house of Saud...hell the whole Sunni led region have cause to weaken Iran.......However, that's what this trade embargo is doing.

That said....For me, I'd say I'm 70/30 with it's Iran.

I find it hard to believe that the US are going to nuke Tehran...or invade them with thousands of troops.....I think the Tehran leadership know that.

So when I think about it...Anything short of that military response pretty much plays into the hands of the hardliners in Tehran .

As the economic situation worsens they need the focus upon their enemies instead of their own incompetence.

Small skirmishes which cost their enemies while coming with plausible deniability from them has little cost for them.....and if the US bomb them....then they gain the support back home and the oil cost shoots through the roof...more terror attacks...more cost to their enemies.

Short of being nuked....which is highly unlikely I'm not seeing the downside for them.

The only people who are likely to nuke Iran are the Israelis.....and it's very scary....because they might just end up doing it....But it's more likely that they would attempt to destroy their nuclear capacity through other means first.

Edited by Stirlingsays (19 Jun 2019 4.32pm)

 

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Originally posted by cryrst

I don't really want to consider if a missile went Israel's way.
Bye bye Tehran would be my guess.

Israel won't wait is my guess.

 

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