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Originally posted by Cucking Funt

Because your generation are a bunch of spoilt, unimaginative, gender-confused, effete, Corbyn-loving Remainers, pussies and benders.

Edited by Cucking Funt (24 Jul 2019 12.53pm)

Nail and head spring to mind

 

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Out of interest Dan H, have you lived in a house with an outside toilet, without central heating, without double glazing and then only secondary double glazing? Without a television (age 10) or a car (until I bought one)? Hand me down clothes, second hand toys and bikes? My parents scrimped and saved to buy their house. They didn't smoke, rarely drank. Dad was a bus driver/ Mum a school diner lady. They worked for what they got for sure, as have I.
My children moan if the Wifi doesn't work for 5 minutes. The world has no doubt moved on but much of it through the efforts of the generation you much malign.

Edit: note to self to read the thread in full first, as Becky has summed up things quite nicely in her post. My parents never had a holiday abroad. The only time my Dad went abroad was when he fought in the 2nd world war as a teenager as a rear gunner in a Wellington bomber

Edited by Bexley Eagle (24 Jul 2019 4.19pm)

 

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Originally posted by Cucking Funt

Because your generation are a bunch of spoilt, unimaginative, gender-confused, effete, Corbyn-loving Remainers, pussies and benders.

Edited by Cucking Funt (24 Jul 2019 12.53pm)

Going soft Cucking.

 


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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Going soft Cucking.

I wonder how many lagers he needs before that happens.

 

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Originally posted by becky

Yes, and he proved my point.......

- I've regularly eaten bread and sugar for tea on Thursdays because there was no money til Father brought his pay packet home on Friday.

- More than one or two new garments a year was a luxury, everything else was hand me downs and jumble sale recycles (except shoes and underwear - Mum was very particular about that - although I have gone to school in mismatched shoes)

- University was for rich people - even with the then student grant - most just had to get out and get a job and earn a wage. (I paid fully for my own degree course in my 30's - not a repay when you earn loan)

- Yes, rents and purchase prices were lower, but mortgages were still near impossible to get for low earners. If you didn't qualify for council housing, you lived with your parents (even after marriage until you could get a deposit together).

- When you did get a mortgage, it was at 6-7% interest rate, and at one point in the 80's hit 14%.... try that on 80's wages!

- Abroad was somewhere you went with Thomas Cook for 2 weeks every year - but it didn't matter too much because it was full of foreigners anyway

and let's not forget the times when outside lavatories were common, central heating was unheard of, running hot water was a luxury for the few and some people were still living in pre-fabs from the war because there was a housing shortage.

I would imagine that Dan's been spared most, if not all of the above hardships of life which were pretty common when I was younger.

I think you mean 'brioche' ... I was brought up in a septic tank and was murdered every evenimg by my father in the outside toilet singing halleluljah, this generation that generation working class middle class too many sweeping statements all round, there are TWO middle classes in UK, the normal one which every country has and this upper level unique to us which involves non-u snobbery bullingdonness where enlightened thinking is for elites not general humanity and is underpinned by monarchy cos these 'posh' people think they have this x-factor related to breeding which makes them closer to royalty, and to generalise myself a lot of working class people look up to and aspire to these upper echelons bcos they'd rather look up to bullsh*t than reality - it's less painful - I've got my limits but I can call myself 'educated' in fairness and it's got sod all to do with whether or not you were privately educated, but a lot of people swallow all that flannel and the result is ignorance on a grand scale. I don't think the program maker understood this, though he had some good points and his comic turn winding up the PC fascists was great.

 

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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I wonder how many lagers he needs before that happens.

More than you, boy.

 


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Originally posted by Bexley Eagle

Out of interest Dan H, have you lived in a house with an outside toilet, without central heating, without double glazing and then only secondary double glazing? Without a television (age 10) or a car (until I bought one)? Hand me down clothes, second hand toys and bikes? My parents scrimped and saved to buy their house. They didn't smoke, rarely drank. Dad was a bus driver/ Mum a school diner lady. They worked for what they got for sure, as have I.
My children moan if the Wifi doesn't work for 5 minutes. The world has no doubt moved on but much of it through the efforts of the generation you much malign.

Edit: note to self to read the thread in full first, as Becky has summed up things quite nicely in her post. My parents never had a holiday abroad. The only time my Dad went abroad was when he fought in the 2nd world war as a teenager as a rear gunner in a Wellington bomber

Edited by Bexley Eagle (24 Jul 2019 4.19pm)

Living standards have improved, sure.

All this talk about hand me down clothes/toys and scrimping to buy a house - what exactly do you think goes on now?


 

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Originally posted by Cucking Funt

More than you, boy.

Tips hat.

Edited by Stirlingsays (24 Jul 2019 6.29pm)

 

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.TUX. Flag 24 Jul 19 7.23pm

Originally posted by DanH

I had to pay for my university education. I only got on the housing ladder 2 years ago over the age of 30 due to the cost of renting, cost of living, and average salary v house price ratio being way way higher than my parents' generation, my right to live and work in the EU is being taken away by a majority of people who will be dead in the next 20 years and this over entitled bunch of babies in government are sleep walking us into a clusterf*ck of a situation.

But yeah, my generation have it on a plate and still want more. We haven't had anything easy.

So people never lived/worked abroad prior to the formation of the bloc?
Joking aside, i feel many of the young do have things harder than many of us oldies (i'm 51) as they've been led down a bloody ridiculous path of entitlement (in the main)..........by those far older than themselves. Oh the irony.
1. Financially the 'baby boomers' had it good, the 'luckiest' generation ever (outside loos not-withstanding.....or sitting. Boom boom). Pretty much a job for life, cheaper housing, decent wages with decent pensions and the benefit of ridiculous inflation for many many years.
2. My lot, late 60's onwards, have generally seen the need for two incomes to support one average family (due to deliberate wage suppression) when one was sufficient for many years previously and are now feeling some pain (particularly regarding pensions) as they head into the future.
3. The majority of todays youth are financially screwed. No, todays youth didn't have single pane drafty windows, an outside loo, a tin-bath or had to walk 37miles with one friggin' shoe and a wholly sock to school but neither did the bloody cavemen so it's a ridiculous comparison. Always has been and always will.

Agreed, they haven't had to tough things out at times as many of us had to, but equally they don't have any of the benefits that those they follow enjoyed (with hindsight).
The 'yoof' have had years of crap pumped into them through many types of media, ridiculous govt policies along with social conditioning.......and i feel for them tbh.

It isn't their fault. Their elders let it happen.


 


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Originally posted by .TUX.

So people never lived/worked abroad prior to the formation of the bloc?
Joking aside, i feel many of the young do have things harder than many of us oldies (i'm 51) as they've been led down a bloody ridiculous path of entitlement (in the main)..........by those far older than themselves. Oh the irony.
1. Financially the 'baby boomers' had it good, the 'luckiest' generation ever (outside loos not-withstanding.....or sitting. Boom boom). Pretty much a job for life, cheaper housing, decent wages with decent pensions and the benefit of ridiculous inflation for many many years.
2. My lot, late 60's onwards, have generally seen the need for two incomes to support one average family (due to deliberate wage suppression) when one was sufficient for many years previously and are now feeling some pain (particularly regarding pensions) as they head into the future.
3. The majority of todays youth are financially screwed. No, todays youth didn't have single pane drafty windows, an outside loo, a tin-bath or had to walk 37miles with one friggin' shoe and a wholly sock to school but neither did the bloody cavemen so it's a ridiculous comparison. Always has been and always will.

Agreed, they haven't had to tough things out at times as many of us had to, but equally they don't have any of the benefits that those they follow enjoyed (with hindsight).
The 'yoof' have had years of crap pumped into them through many types of media, ridiculous govt policies along with social conditioning.......and i feel for them tbh.

It isn't their fault. Their elders let it happen.

I've have some sympathy for this view.....I regard the answer as mixed.

Firstly I'd say that in general older generations were better people who were more loyal to the country and what it means. We had lower crime and we had higher social cohesion even though the class system was less disguised.

Those generations had it harder in the sense of the technology of modern times wasn't there. A lot of today's comforts and conveniences are the result of technological leaps forward rather than any social or political refinements.

People died earlier and in more pain and if you were poor it was s***e....and more s***e than today because technology wasn't there to dull the boredom.

But as said....if you had a bit of money as a 'baby boomer' you benefited from a generational situation that gave you far cheaper housing both public and private, helped from the reconstruction of the Marshall plan....that generation used that ladder and its leaders pulled the ladder up.

Post war generations also benefited from a population size that placed far less strain on public infrastructure.

Today's generation have all the technology improvements and live lives that are more comfortable than that of kings of decades ago......However they are having to exist in a time where the housing ladder has been pulled up for many of them and due to population increases and housing inaction costs and prices are absurd.

Today's average couple face a load of debt and a state that increasingly regards them as fodder both economically and socially. Both man and woman are expected to work just to remain above water....The days of the working man bringing home his wages for the wife to housekeep are far less common and for many that has lead to far more stressful lives.

Anyway.....I've bleeding depressed myself....I'm going to look in the cupboard for a jam doughnut.

Edited by Stirlingsays (24 Jul 2019 8.01pm)

 

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.TUX. Flag 24 Jul 19 8.22pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I've have some sympathy for this view.....I regard the answer as mixed.

Firstly I'd say that in general older generations were better people who were more loyal to the country and what it means. We had lower crime and we had higher social cohesion even though the class system was less disguised.

Those generations had it harder in the sense of the technology of modern times wasn't there. A lot of today's comforts and conveniences are the result of technological leaps forward rather than any social or political refinements.

People died earlier and in more pain and if you were poor it was s***e....and more s***e than today because technology wasn't there to dull the boredom.

But as said....if you had a bit of money as a 'baby boomer' you benefited from a generational situation that gave you far cheaper housing both public and private, helped from the reconstruction of the Marshall plan....that generation used that ladder and its leaders pulled the ladder up.

Post war generations also benefited from a population size that placed far less strain on public infrastructure.

Today's generation have all the technology improvements and live lives that are more comfortable than that of kings of decades ago......However they are having to exist in a time where the housing ladder has been pulled up for many of them and due to population increases and housing inaction costs and prices are absurd.

Today's average couple face a load of debt and a state that increasingly regards them as fodder both economically and socially. Both man and woman are expected to work just to remain above water....The days of the working man bringing home his wages for the wife to housekeep are far less common and for many that has lead to far more stressful lives.

Anyway.....I've bleeding depressed myself....I'm going to look in the cupboard for a jam doughnut.

Edited by Stirlingsays (24 Jul 2019 8.01pm)

Nice post.
The end of Bretton-Woods has a lot to answer for though and the inflation it (inherently) brought.
As for 'jam', custard for me
...but each to his own

Edited by .TUX. (24 Jul 2019 8.23pm)

 


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Originally posted by .TUX.

So people never lived/worked abroad prior to the formation of the bloc?
Joking aside, i feel many of the young do have things harder than many of us oldies (i'm 51) as they've been led down a bloody ridiculous path of entitlement (in the main)..........by those far older than themselves. Oh the irony.
1. Financially the 'baby boomers' had it good, the 'luckiest' generation ever (outside loos not-withstanding.....or sitting. Boom boom). Pretty much a job for life, cheaper housing, decent wages with decent pensions and the benefit of ridiculous inflation for many many years.
2. My lot, late 60's onwards, have generally seen the need for two incomes to support one average family (due to deliberate wage suppression) when one was sufficient for many years previously and are now feeling some pain (particularly regarding pensions) as they head into the future.
3. The majority of todays youth are financially screwed. No, todays youth didn't have single pane drafty windows, an outside loo, a tin-bath or had to walk 37miles with one friggin' shoe and a wholly sock to school but neither did the bloody cavemen so it's a ridiculous comparison. Always has been and always will.

Agreed, they haven't had to tough things out at times as many of us had to, but equally they don't have any of the benefits that those they follow enjoyed (with hindsight).
The 'yoof' have had years of crap pumped into them through many types of media, ridiculous govt policies along with social conditioning.......and i feel for them tbh.

It isn't their fault. Their elders let it happen.


Good post that at least contains an element of nuance. Some of the 'back in my day' contributions didn't really capture that. It's not all about lauding your own situation over others. I can both appreciate that I had it tough growing up, but also see that in some regards it's now easier and in others it's harder. That's just how it is.

 

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