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DanH Flag SW2 04 Aug 19 12.13pm

When will they change their gun laws? London has its issues but America is so much worse.

 

coulsdoneagle Flag London 04 Aug 19 12.20pm

Difficult to see any progress being made. A country happy to see children in schools routinely murdered by psychopaths because of ‘muh Freedom and muh rights’. It’s tragic and completely avoidable. These latest 2 are sad but unsurprising.

 

Ouzo Dan Flag Behind you 04 Aug 19 12.32pm

I believe Trump pushed through stricter laws regarding background checks on new rifle purchases six months ago although I have no clue if this has been acted upon or not.
I am happy to be corrected if I am wrong as its been a while since I really paid attention to the goings on in the states.

Plenty of countries have similar gun laws to the states, the USA needs to fix its mental health problems not its gun laws.

 


The mountains are calling & I must go.

NickinOX Flag Sailing country. 04 Aug 19 1.21pm

Originally posted by Ouzo Dan

I believe Trump pushed through stricter laws regarding background checks on new rifle purchases six months ago although I have no clue if this has been acted upon or not.
I am happy to be corrected if I am wrong as its been a while since I really paid attention to the goings on in the states.

Plenty of countries have similar gun laws to the states, the USA needs to fix its mental health problems not its gun laws.

No he didn’t. He said he supported control measures when asked, but then said he didn’t and would veto any. Two bipartisan bills passed the House but are blocked in the Senate as Trump has said he will veto them.

In what other countries can one walk into a supermarket and buy a semi-automatic pistol or an assault rifle. Or, go to a gun show (or private party sale) and purchase an assault rifle without a background check or ID?

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 04 Aug 19 2.56pm

This isn't going away and it's only going to get worse.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 04 Aug 19 3.45pm

We need to remember this the next time Trump lashes out at Khan about London's knife crime.

Some thoughts.

A Muslim shooter is thought to be a terrorist and 1.8 billion people are implicated in their crime.

A black skinned shooter is normally thought to be a gang member.

A professional shooter is thought to be a hero.

A white skinned shooter is thought to be a mentally ill lone wolf.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 04 Aug 19 4.02pm

There's a whiff of whataboutery in the air.

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 04 Aug 19 4.23pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

We need to remember this the next time Trump lashes out at Khan about London's knife crime.

Some thoughts.

A Muslim shooter is thought to be a terrorist and 1.8 billion people are implicated in their crime.

A black skinned shooter is normally thought to be a gang member.

A professional shooter is thought to be a hero.

A white skinned shooter is thought to be a mentally ill lone wolf.

This is all just politics.

Reality is reality. Spin is spin.

Was ISIS a figment of someone's imagination?

How many gun crimes involving Black people were gang related?
There are facts available.

 

gazzerp Flag Waterford, Maine (grew up in SE23) 04 Aug 19 4.24pm

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

The Second Amendment essentially permits every individual to be as armed equal to the military. In 1791, "a gun was a gun..." Today, if I theoretically wanted a tank, I could buy a tank. And, have at it...

Over two hundred years later, firearms have changed. The Second Amendment hasn't.

It needs to.

There is no rational reason for any type of automatic weapon to be available to anybody other than law enforcement. Screw AK-47 recreation...

Gun activists/Second Amendment supporters argue that if the state turns against the citizens, they need to be able to respond with equivalent force.

I totally agree with those who suggest we need to apply more resources to mental health, as this is often at the root of mass killings.

More importantly, however, we need to remove these weapons from the face of this country, figure-out how to prevent them from ever becoming (illegally) available again and, change the Second Amendment.

Figuring-out how to accomplish this, I'm afraid, is beyond my intellect...

 

Ouzo Dan Flag Behind you 04 Aug 19 4.34pm

Originally posted by NickinOX

No he didn’t. He said he supported control measures when asked, but then said he didn’t and would veto any. Two bipartisan bills passed the House but are blocked in the Senate as Trump has said he will veto them.

In what other countries can one walk into a supermarket and buy a semi-automatic pistol or an assault rifle. Or, go to a gun show (or private party sale) and purchase an assault rifle without a background check or ID?

Like I say its been a while since I've paid attention to us law.

I also said similar laws, not identical.
The Czech Republic & Poland both have pretty relaxed gun laws, for example you can carry two concealed weapons in the Czech Republic & most bars you frequent out in that region will have signs on the entrances amusingly saying no guns/knives/samurai swords/tnt etc.

Take a look on Wikipedia for a breakdown/be a pedant.

I'm keen on a fabarms stf12 myself although will probably end up with a hunting rifle as I want nothing to do with the factory farmed meat you get in supermarkets.

Also the AR in AR15 doesn't mean Assault Rifle it means Armalite (the company that owns the patent)

Edited by Ouzo Dan (04 Aug 2019 4.37pm)

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 04 Aug 19 4.40pm

Originally posted by gazzerp

Figuring-out how to accomplish this, I'm afraid, is beyond my intellect...

It can't be accomplished peacefully.....when the democrats get in power they will probably try to dismantle the system bit by bit.....but it's not going to be pretty that's for sure.

 


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Invalid user 2019 Flag 04 Aug 19 4.46pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

This is all just politics.

Reality is reality. Spin is spin.

Was ISIS a figment of someone's imagination?

How many gun crimes involving Black people were gang related?
There are facts available.

Like everything it was until it wasn't. Just like this guy taking people out. Idea turned reality.

I have little doubt that the messaging and language from the top has encouraged and been the impetus for some of these events, but ultimately there's not much anyone can do about that and it's not as if any one factor or change will stop such mass shootings.

Just like the gun situation really. With all the will in the world there are hundreds of millions of guns in the US and whole industries and organisations designed to ensure that doesn't change in any meaningless way. On one hand mass shootings create a call for action on guns, in another they desensitize, normalise, and act as a motivator for copycat types to get their racist or jihadist manifesto out there depending on what shade of d!ckhead is doing the shooting.

 

cryrst Flag The garden of England 04 Aug 19 4.59pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

We need to remember this the next time Trump lashes out at Khan about London's knife crime.

Some thoughts.

A Muslim shooter is thought to be a terrorist and 1.8 billion people are implicated in their crime.

A black skinned shooter is normally thought to be a gang member.

A professional shooter is thought to be a hero.

A white skinned shooter is thought to be a mentally ill lone wolf.

You really can be a silly individual wissy.
What point are you trying to make as 20 people are lying on the slab.
Sometimes your views are so out there I wonder if your age has brought about a bit of senility.

 

corkery Flag Cork City 04 Aug 19 5.02pm

There's parts of America where betting and drinking is banned but guns are not.

 


We'll never die

NickinOX Flag Sailing country. 04 Aug 19 5.10pm

Originally posted by Ouzo Dan

Like I say its been a while since I've paid attention to us law.

I also said similar laws, not identical.
The Czech Republic & Poland both have pretty relaxed gun laws, for example you can carry two concealed weapons in the Czech Republic & most bars you frequent out in that region will have signs on the entrances amusingly saying no guns/knives/samurai swords/tnt etc.

Take a look on Wikipedia for a breakdown/be a pedant.

I'm keen on a fabarms stf12 myself although will probably end up with a hunting rifle as I want nothing to do with the factory farmed meat you get in supermarkets.

Also the AR in AR15 doesn't mean Assault Rifle it means Armalite (the company that owns the patent)

Edited by Ouzo Dan (04 Aug 2019 4.37pm)

Who said AR means assault rifle? Stop deflecting. I know perfectly well what an AR is.

And when I talk about assault rifle I mean just that, not simply an AR15; AK47; AR10; FN FAL; FN SCAR, etc. And yes, I’ve owned one and enjoy shooting.

You claimed other countries have similar laws. Where can one buy an assault rifle in a supermarket? Where else can one legally buy firearms without showing any ID or having to undergo a background check? You’ve not answered that. It is not simply whether one can own guns elsewhere, or carry them around, but the means by which said ownership is regulated.


Edited by NickinOX (04 Aug 2019 5.43pm)

 


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ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 04 Aug 19 6.12pm

Originally posted by corkery

There's parts of America where betting and drinking is banned but guns are not.

Well, you have to have something to do.

 


Red and Blue Army!

Ouzo Dan Flag Behind you 04 Aug 19 7.14pm

Originally posted by NickinOX

Who said AR means assault rifle? Stop deflecting. I know perfectly well what an AR is.

And when I talk about assault rifle I mean just that, not simply an AR15; AK47; AR10; FN FAL; FN SCAR, etc. And yes, I’ve owned one and enjoy shooting.

You claimed other countries have similar laws. Where can one buy an assault rifle in a supermarket? Where else can one legally buy firearms without showing any ID or having to undergo a background check? You’ve not answered that. It is not simply whether one can own guns elsewhere, or carry them around, but the means by which said ownership is regulated.


Edited by NickinOX (04 Aug 2019 5.43pm)

I'm really scratching my head as to what more I can do with you, I've offered up examples of countries where you can purchase tactical rifles/shotguns relatively easily, I've explained the similarities in concealed carry laws.

I've never said you can walk into a Walmart equivalent in Central Eastern Europe & walk out with a gun like you can in the states.

There's little point in discussing banning firearms in the states as it won't happen.
Its interesting you've completely ignored my point about tackling the enormous mental health problems the US has.

 


The mountains are calling & I must go.

Invalid user 2019 Flag 04 Aug 19 7.15pm

Originally posted by corkery

There's parts of America where betting and drinking is banned but guns are not.

Semi automatic but sober

 

ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 04 Aug 19 7.52pm

Originally posted by dollardays

Semi automatic but sober

Middle aged sex life.

 


Red and Blue Army!

Invalid user 2019 Flag 04 Aug 19 8.25pm

Originally posted by ASCPFC

Middle aged sex life.

 

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