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View Midlands Eagle's Profile Midlands Eagle Flag 05 Aug 19 8.40am Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle


I was commenting on the racial aspects of the reactions to gun crime and not making a racial point of my own.

With respect, no-one had mentioned any racial aspects to gun crime in America until you brought it up

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 05 Aug 19 9.49am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

With respect, no-one had mentioned any racial aspects to gun crime in America until you brought it up

I know but just look at Trump's reaction, blaming it on mental illness and trying to deflect from the fact that the shooter in El Paso seems to have targeted Mexicans as a consequence of Trump's racist rhetoric.

It was this that I was attempting to anticipate and to point it out before he started his standard diversions. Perhaps I was a little clumsy in my choice of examples but the underlying point is still there.

So long as the NRA have enough politicians in their pockets this problem will never be solved. The NRA, in case you don't know, have received funds from Russia, laundered via a devious route. Now I wonder why they might do that?

 

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View Jamesrichards8's Profile Jamesrichards8 Flag 05 Aug 19 10.12am Send a Private Message to Jamesrichards8 Add Jamesrichards8 as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

We need to remember this the next time Trump lashes out at Khan about London's knife crime.

Some thoughts.

A Muslim shooter is thought to be a terrorist and 1.8 billion people are implicated in their crime.

A black skinned shooter is normally thought to be a gang member.

A professional shooter is thought to be a hero.

A white skinned shooter is thought to be a mentally ill lone wolf.

Besides the fact that each of the assumptions you listed above are supported by statistics, the argument you are making is irrelevant. The ‘initial assumption’ problem you are describing is only applicable if the truth never comes out, which it does (several hours after each shooting/crime has been committed). Usually confirms the assumptions but that’s not the point.

 


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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag Wisbech, England 05 Aug 19 10.20am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

The shooter in Ohio, who shot up a nightclub killing currently nine and injuring plenty was a far left antifa supporter with personal pronouns on their twitter....he had expressed support for Elizabeth Warren and the AOC 'squad'.

Does this mean we have to look at the Democratic party and its rhetoric to explain this person's actions?

So transparent.

Funny how the left are so selective with which shooters they want to shout about.

We had the shooting of that republican politician last year and a tranny shooter a few months back. The heavily armed far left supporter who tried to bomb the border police.

Strange how quickly they faded from the news and how little newspace was devoted to their motivations or which politicians were to blame for their actions.


Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Aug 2019 10.34am)

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 05 Aug 19 10.48am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Jamesrichards8

Besides the fact that each of the assumptions you listed above are supported by statistics, the argument you are making is irrelevant. The ‘initial assumption’ problem you are describing is only applicable if the truth never comes out, which it does (several hours after each shooting/crime has been committed). Usually confirms the assumptions but that’s not the point.

The point is actually the assumptions and not the statistics. Every criminal act needs to be dealt with on it's merits and not on assumptions. Associating others who are themselves innocent only leads to a divided society.

The point I was trying to make was to anticipate the reaction, which duly arrived, and nothing more.

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 05 Aug 19 10.56am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

The difference between the El Paso and Ohio shooters is obvious, or at least it ought to be.

That they both might have had strong political, and opposing views, is irrelevant.

One tweeted immediately before he carried out his attack why he was committing his crime and made it plain it was because of his racist views.

The other did not.

The right are just assuming he might have done so and therefore claiming equivalence.

It's another attempted diversion and nothing more.

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 05 Aug 19 11.15am Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

The difference between the El Paso and Ohio shooters is obvious, or at least it ought to be.

That they both might have had strong political, and opposing views, is irrelevant.

One tweeted immediately before he carried out his attack why he was committing his crime and made it plain it was because of his racist views.

The other did not.

The right are just assuming he might have done so and therefore claiming equivalence.

It's another attempted diversion and nothing more.

This is the sort of result you would expect when people wake up to the threat of their replacement.
You know. The stuff that people claimed was crazy talk but is now on the horizon.

Some who feel powerless to stop it will lash out. Most of us will not see the logic of killing innocent people since it will make no difference to anything.

The bottom line is that what this guy did was totally wrong but his belief that his race is being rapidly outnumbered and eventually replaced is legitimate.

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag Wisbech, England 05 Aug 19 11.30am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend


The shooters who are murdering due to replacement and no doubt other reasons specific to them are definitely a reality.

However, the left cannot make the absurdly one eyed claim that rhetoric from Trump plays a factor in mass shootings while rhetoric from their politicians doesn't.

Those who live in fantasy land and talk about 'challenges' and about how people are just going to have to learn to 'share' while they live at the tough end....all while they play bowls in Cornwall...well people like that are really just parodies and have nothing realistic to say.

The politics of idealists have created the social incohesion that now pervades society and now we will have to live with increasingly frequent horrors.

All given to us by those too stupid to recognise that the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

 

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View silvertop's Profile silvertop Flag bristol 05 Aug 19 11.34am Send a Private Message to silvertop Add silvertop as a friend

Has anyone asked the President what he intends to do about treating mental illness and removing guns from those with mental illness?

Right now his glib comments seem little more than a shrug and "what do you expect me to do about it?"

BTW, I agree with those comments that:

Black/Hispanic/Islamic shooter = "terrorist"
White far right shooter = "mentally ill".

It is a specious and politically motivated distinction.

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 05 Aug 19 11.38am Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays


The shooters who are murdering due to replacement and no doubt other reasons specific to them are definitely a reality.

However, the left cannot make the absurdly one eyed claim that rhetoric from Trump plays a factor in mass shootings while rhetoric from their politicians doesn't.

Those who live in fantasy land and talk about 'challenges' and about how people are just going to have to learn to 'share' while they live at the tough end....all while they play bowls in Cornwall...well people like that are really just parodies and have nothing realistic to say.

The politics of idealists have created the social incohesion that now pervades society and now we will have to live with increasingly frequent horrors.

All given to us by those too stupid to recognise that the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

Of course not. It is a completely ridiculous and politically motivated claim.
You could go on a killing spree because of something you saw on the History Channel if you were irrational and armed with an assault rifle.

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 05 Aug 19 11.42am Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by silvertop

Has anyone asked the President what he intends to do about treating mental illness and removing guns from those with mental illness?

Right now his glib comments seem little more than a shrug and "what do you expect me to do about it?"

BTW, I agree with those comments that:

Black/Hispanic/Islamic shooter = "terrorist"
White far right shooter = "mentally ill".

It is a specious and politically motivated distinction.

Perhaps it's because we are lead believe that the former are somehow allowed to have a 'cause' whereas White protestant types don't deserve to have a reason.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (05 Aug 2019 11.43am)

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 05 Aug 19 12.07pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Of course not. It is a completely ridiculous and politically motivated claim.
You could go on a killing spree because of something you saw on the History Channel if you were irrational and armed with an assault rifle.

There is though an enormous difference. Trump is the President. When the President makes remarks intended to motivate his "base", many of whom display racist attitudes, he has a real impact. It is the antipathy of responsible leadership.

I have never heard any of the Democratic candidates for 2020 ever making racist comments or offering any sympathy to organisations like Antifa. If they did I suspect their candidacy wouldn't last long.

A POTUS is not the President of one section of the USA. He is the President for all.

Comparing it to people getting motivated by things like seeing something on the history channel is very disingenuous. The history channel does not enjoy the same level of influence as the POTUS.

 

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