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View Bangell's Profile Bangell Online Flag Oxford 20 Aug 19 1.28pm Send a Private Message to Bangell Add Bangell as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Is a good shout for a 4-3-3 which isn’t so different to the 4-2-3-1 with those players in there, partly because there’s few options so it’s the same names and why the pressing priority to get out of this z4-4-2. Therefore 2 or more formations per match depending on the score and where the ball is (that just stays the same right now).

Interesting that MOTD2 had us as 4-3-3. I can’t remember the players but it might’ve been your lineup with Benteke instead of Ayew.

I think it would work well both offensively and defensively - with the ball, we have Meyer in a more central position to receive and distribute, with three forward players. Defensively, you'd have Andros drop back to take his place on the right side of a bank of four.

 

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View taylors lovechild's Profile taylors lovechild Flag People's Republic of Gozo 20 Aug 19 1.49pm Send a Private Message to taylors lovechild Add taylors lovechild as a friend

Camarasa himself said his best position is as a supporting forward. This is where he got Cardiff's players' POTY award from last season. I'm hanging my hopes on him being the link we so desperately need, as in the last two games there has appeared to be this massive void between the midfield and our front two.

 

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View Crystal_Clear's Profile Crystal_Clear Flag Belfast 20 Aug 19 1.50pm Send a Private Message to Crystal_Clear Add Crystal_Clear as a friend

Forget Zaha, despite what he says he ain't interested, and he certainly isn't going to put himself in positions where be could get injured mea ing he could lose out on that January move.

We basically have a choice of Wickham or Benteke upfront (or both).

So, it no use playing some intricate pass and move game with them, they are not going to endlessly run channels etc.

Get people out wide to deliver crosses into the box. The probably means Townsend and Ayew on the flanks, but they must deliver the ball early or from the dead ball line.

Depending on whether we play 1 or 2 upfront, means 2 or 3 midfielders. I think Camarrasa must play, a holding midfielder (either luka or Kouyate), then if playing a 3 midfield then either Meyer or McCarthy.

At back, Sakho and Tompkins (Cahill to come in if either not avail), schlupp at LB and Ward at RB.

Giuita in Goal.

This wont happen though, we all know that.

 

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View Neilsym26's Profile Neilsym26 Flag Bromley 20 Aug 19 10.51pm Send a Private Message to Neilsym26 Add Neilsym26 as a friend

Originally posted by Shifty97

Benteke needs to stop getting picked

100% because the players around him can't seem to cross or create any chances for him. Put any striker in the world up front for us and he'd have the same issues!!

 

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View bromleysteve01's Profile bromleysteve01 Flag Bromley 21 Aug 19 8.53am Send a Private Message to bromleysteve01 Add bromleysteve01 as a friend

Guaita

Kouyate (RB)
Tomkins
Sakho
Ward (LB)

Luca (DM)
McCarthy
McArthur

Ayew
Wickham
Zaha

SUBS
Camarasa
Townsend
Cahill
Kelly
Hennessey

 

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View bromleysteve01's Profile bromleysteve01 Flag Bromley 21 Aug 19 9.01am Send a Private Message to bromleysteve01 Add bromleysteve01 as a friend

Sorry + Meyer on the Bench

Don’t make squad = Dann, Benteke, Schlupp and PVA

 

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View EddieMac's Profile EddieMac Flag 21 Aug 19 10.12am Send a Private Message to EddieMac Add EddieMac as a friend

Guita

Ward Tomkins Sakho PVA

Luca

Townsend McCarthy Zaha

Camarasa

Benteke

 

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View dreamwaverider's Profile dreamwaverider Flag Chelsea 21 Aug 19 10.23am Send a Private Message to dreamwaverider Add dreamwaverider as a friend

Originally posted by Crystal_Clear

Forget Zaha, despite what he says he ain't interested, and he certainly isn't going to put himself in positions where be could get injured mea ing he could lose out on that January move.

We basically have a choice of Wickham or Benteke upfront (or both).

So, it no use playing some intricate pass and move game with them, they are not going to endlessly run channels etc.

Get people out wide to deliver crosses into the box. The probably means Townsend and Ayew on the flanks, but they must deliver the ball early or from the dead ball line.

Depending on whether we play 1 or 2 upfront, means 2 or 3 midfielders. I think Camarrasa must play, a holding midfielder (either luka or Kouyate), then if playing a 3 midfield then either Meyer or McCarthy.

At back, Sakho and Tompkins (Cahill to come in if either not avail), schlupp at LB and Ward at RB.

Giuita in Goal.

This wont happen though, we all know that.

How many top teams play like this nowadays?

 

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View EddieMac's Profile EddieMac Flag 21 Aug 19 10.55am Send a Private Message to EddieMac Add EddieMac as a friend

Originally posted by taylors lovechild

Camarasa himself said his best position is as a supporting forward. This is where he got Cardiff's players' POTY award from last season. I'm hanging my hopes on him being the link we so desperately need, as in the last two games there has appeared to be this massive void between the midfield and our front two.

This is exactly where the problem lies with us. When we attacked on Sunday Zaha would pull out wide, Meyer would stay out wide, Townsend stays wide and Luca and Jimmy stand on the half way line and then Benteke is the only man in the box. Out numbered 5 to 1.

When Townsend and Zaha look up and see this then they dont cross because oBenteke will not be winning the ball while completley out numbered.

THis happened time and time again. We need an midfielders to attack the box.

 

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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 21 Aug 19 11.00am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by dreamwaverider

How many top teams play like this nowadays?

Like what? Delivering crosses? Plenty of teams deliver crosses. They may not do it as much, but they still do. A 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3 can achieve this AND with a decent attacking midfielder, hopefully in camerasa, it wouldn’t be the only line of attack. Teams may not put hopeful balls into the box but they put them in areas everyone is on the same page with. What we plan or practice is anyone’s guess.

 


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View PatrickA's Profile PatrickA Flag London 21 Aug 19 11.14am Send a Private Message to PatrickA Add PatrickA as a friend

I agree and hope that Camarasa will be the missing link in an attacking midfield role.
The problem is that we got an idea of Roy’s thinking when a fit Camarasa didn’t even make the bench on Sunday.
If you don’t fit Roy’s shape you don’t play.
We’ve seen him stick Meyer in a left sided role where his impact is limited, play Schlupp in central midfield in preference to Kouyate because Kouyate didn’t retain the all important ‘shape.’
When asked about Ayew , Hodgson’s first response was to talk about his defensive capabilities and his ability to bolster the midfield area.
Nothing about what Ayew could contribute offensively.
For the reasons above I think it may be while until we see much of Camarasa.

 

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View aj36094's Profile aj36094 Flag Derbyshire 21 Aug 19 12.08pm Send a Private Message to aj36094 Add aj36094 as a friend

Strongest possible eleven for me would be

Guaita

Ward Tomkins Sakho PVA

Luka
Meyer McCarthy

Zaha Benteke Townsend

It seems we are playing inverted wingers to keep Wilf and Andros happy and blaming the striker for not getting his fair share, a similar situation to Benzema at Real, 17/18 it was all focused on Ronaldo which worked, he left and 18/19 Benzema's league goal/game ratio almost quadrupled, didn't fill the void but Zaha isn't Ronaldo.

It may be worth trying Ayew and Schlupp on the wings against Colchester and give Wickham/ Benteke 45 mins each.

 

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