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View Lyons550's Profile Lyons550 Flag Shirley 21 Aug 19 2.48pm Send a Private Message to Lyons550 Add Lyons550 as a friend

So yet again, another big project is under threat due to escalating costs, campaigners against etc...will ANYTHING ever be built again as planned?

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View steeleye20's Profile steeleye20 Flag Croydon 21 Aug 19 2.54pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

Spot on.

A recent addition to the list is crossrail - whatever happened there, thought it was finished.

Now lapsed into 6 monthly bailouts not opening for 2 years.

The costs of HS2 are mind-boggling, a true money-pit.


 

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View Lyons550's Profile Lyons550 Flag Shirley 21 Aug 19 2.59pm Send a Private Message to Lyons550 Add Lyons550 as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

Spot on.

A recent addition to the list is crossrail - whatever happened there, thought it was finished.

Now lapsed into 6 monthly bailouts not opening for 2 years.

The costs of HS2 are mind-boggling, a true money-pit.


Most infrastructure projects are though...its the financial pay off in the long run that matters and the benefit to the country as a whole.

30bn overrun is less than what we'd be paying the EU!

Get it done as far as Birmingham...THEN review stage 2!

I'd prefer them to then look at The Northern Powerhouse rail project instead, which aims to connect East to West and would light a fire under the Northern economy.

 


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View Midlands Eagle's Profile Midlands Eagle Flag 21 Aug 19 3.04pm Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Lyons550

Get it done as far as Birmingham...THEN review stage 2!

The existing rail link from London to Birmingham is already quick enough though.

I do have a vested interest as the second stage runs 150 yards from my house

 

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View Lyons550's Profile Lyons550 Flag Shirley 21 Aug 19 3.20pm Send a Private Message to Lyons550 Add Lyons550 as a friend

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

The existing rail link from London to Birmingham is already quick enough though.

I do have a vested interest as the second stage runs 150 yards from my house


I've often wondered what the benefit of a reduced time of 60mins is actually worth? for me its more about connecting the parts of the country that are struggling, or at the very least that HS2 would increase goods traffic as well, taking the burden off of the roads.

 


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View steeleye20's Profile steeleye20 Flag Croydon 21 Aug 19 3.54pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

You may well ask what benefit is HS2 anyway?

Does it connect to Heathrow, Europe, things modern Britain needs?

No, it connects to Euston.

Enjoy your time-saving - you will be able to use the tube just like everybody else.

 

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View jeeagles's Profile jeeagles Flag 21 Aug 19 11.11pm Send a Private Message to jeeagles Add jeeagles as a friend

It's a line that goes though several "key marginal constituencies" and a "brave" political decision.

Best to get a inquiry in place before an election and ensure the outcome of it is announced afterwards to minimise the impact on votes.

Phase 1 on its own offers the lowest benefit. It may even have been better to start in the north and work their way down, but it's been assessed as a stand alone project.

For phase 1 land had been bought and construction has started. Stopping halt way through would cost loads and deliver 0 economic benefit. Might as well finish it, especially if some of the funding is borrowed money from private sources.

The real benefits will come when phases 2 and beyond are added.

 

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View CPFC1965's Profile CPFC1965 Flag Warrington 22 Aug 19 1.25am Send a Private Message to CPFC1965 Add CPFC1965 as a friend

It takes an hour 50 mins to get from Warrington to Euston on Glasgow express Virgin West coast. We have never needed HS2 just need the line from L/pool to Leeds fully electrified and updated. Cost would have been a fraction of what has already been wasted.

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 22 Aug 19 8.18am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by jeeagles

It's a line that goes though several "key marginal constituencies" and a "brave" political decision.

Best to get a inquiry in place before an election and ensure the outcome of it is announced afterwards to minimise the impact on votes.

Phase 1 on its own offers the lowest benefit. It may even have been better to start in the north and work their way down, but it's been assessed as a stand alone project.

For phase 1 land had been bought and construction has started. Stopping halt way through would cost loads and deliver 0 economic benefit. Might as well finish it, especially if some of the funding is borrowed money from private sources.

The real benefits will come when phases 2 and beyond are added.

I really cannot make my mind up about HS2. The line to Manchester may not save much time and in isolation is not worth it. However if the plan is to build a high link up the spine of the country to Scotland linking the major cities and also have branches to Wales and the Southwest then it maybe justified.

as jeeagles states it probabley would have been better to start in the north.

 


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View Midlands Eagle's Profile Midlands Eagle Flag 22 Aug 19 8.43am Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

However if the plan is to build a high link up the spine of the country to Scotland linking the major cities then it maybe justified.

You may have to stop for passport control at the Scottish border if Ms Sturgeon gets her own way

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 22 Aug 19 8.57am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

You may have to stop for passport control at the Scottish border if Ms Sturgeon gets her own way

If Scotland has gone independent then we won't be building it to their border. They can pay to link it to the UK network.

 


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View davenotamonkey's Profile davenotamonkey Flag 22 Aug 19 10.04am Send a Private Message to davenotamonkey Add davenotamonkey as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

Spot on.

A recent addition to the list is crossrail - whatever happened there, thought it was finished.

Now lapsed into 6 monthly bailouts not opening for 2 years.

The costs of HS2 are mind-boggling, a true money-pit.


Scrap it, suck up the sink-costs (dreadful as they are), ensure the consultants are never retained by HMG ever again. Next steps:

Plough money into the aforementioned Northern Powerhouse lines, AND a rapid high-freight-volume connection between Tyneside and Liverpool.

Then establish free ports in both. State aid in both regions to kick start industry and economy feeding off the Free ports. Ensure all bidding contractors will use UK labour as much as possible.

All possible if we leave the EU. Not possible (as under the Withdrawal Agreement) if we're told we can't diverge from their "economic model", subject to their state-aid rules, customs union and procurement diktats.

The south has had enough money pumped into it. It's time we re-balanced this country.

 

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