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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 15 Feb 20 3.49pm
Originally posted by cryrst 24hour working would decrease most of our road,rail and other infrastructure projects timeframes. I understand in and around houses but how many motorways and train lines are in these areas. 2 years odd to do the m20 two junctions. Piss taking or jobs for the boys. Then they moan about emissions ffs. 24h working it wouldve been done last year. All relevant points above ^^^ It's where you draw the compromise. the EU gave the UK work standards and pay etc. , etc. China does it's own 5hlt. It is not confined by minimum wage or working hours, environmental standards or other stuff , (nor is the UK now) But it's cheap, so let's go for the quick and shoddy option. Buy cheap,....buy twice "The facts have changed", Rishi Sunak
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Originally posted by cryrst

24hour working would decrease most of our road,rail and other infrastructure projects timeframes.
I understand in and around houses but how many motorways and train lines are in these areas.
2 years odd to do the m20 two junctions.
Piss taking or jobs for the boys.
Then they moan about emissions ffs.
24h working it wouldve been done last year.

All relevant points above ^^^

It's where you draw the compromise. the EU gave the UK work standards and pay etc. , etc.

China does it's own 5hlt. It is not confined by minimum wage or working hours, environmental standards or other stuff , (nor is the UK now)

But it's cheap, so let's go for the quick and shoddy option.

Buy cheap,....buy twice

"The facts have changed", Rishi Sunak

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W12 15 Feb 20 4.06pm
Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly The EU gave the UK work standards and pay etc. , etc. No it didn’t And China and Chinese company’s should be nowhere our infrastructure projects (or anything else). They are an enemy.
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W12 15 Feb 20 4.06pm

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

The EU gave the UK work standards and pay etc. , etc.

No it didn’t

And China and Chinese company’s should be nowhere our infrastructure projects (or anything else). They are an enemy.

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Stirlingsays 15 Feb 20 4.17pm
Originally posted by W12 No it didn’t And China and Chinese company’s should be nowhere our infrastructure projects (or anything else). They are an enemy. Anyone with any sense knows that the Chinese government and Chinese company's are one and the same. One says jump and the other says how high. I really didn't understand the decision to include China in our mobile infrastructure. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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15 Feb 20 4.17pm

Originally posted by W12

No it didn’t

And China and Chinese company’s should be nowhere our infrastructure projects (or anything else). They are an enemy.

Anyone with any sense knows that the Chinese government and Chinese company's are one and the same. One says jump and the other says how high.

I really didn't understand the decision to include China in our mobile infrastructure.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Badger11 Beckenham 15 Feb 20 4.18pm
Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly All relevant points above ^^^ It's where you draw the compromise. the EU gave the UK work standards and pay etc. , etc. China does it's own 5hlt. It is not confined by minimum wage or working hours, environmental standards or other stuff , (nor is the UK now) But it's cheap, so let's go for the quick and shoddy option. Buy cheap,....buy twice Again you are making the assumption that the Chinese will somehow mistreat staff over here, that would not be allowed to happen and I think the unions would be all over it. If they are to bid they will have to abide by UK employment laws. Yes the Chinese are not a nice government but somehow we can be friends and do business with other despicable regimes e.g. Saudi Arabia and that's okay. This is the real world we would be silly to not even consider it and maybe they can't deliver in which case they should not get the contract. One more point
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Beckenham 15 Feb 20 4.18pm

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

All relevant points above ^^^

It's where you draw the compromise. the EU gave the UK work standards and pay etc. , etc.

China does it's own 5hlt. It is not confined by minimum wage or working hours, environmental standards or other stuff , (nor is the UK now)

But it's cheap, so let's go for the quick and shoddy option.

Buy cheap,....buy twice

Again you are making the assumption that the Chinese will somehow mistreat staff over here, that would not be allowed to happen and I think the unions would be all over it.

If they are to bid they will have to abide by UK employment laws.

Yes the Chinese are not a nice government but somehow we can be friends and do business with other despicable regimes e.g. Saudi Arabia and that's okay.

This is the real world we would be silly to not even consider it and maybe they can't deliver in which case they should not get the contract.

One more point

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chris123 hove actually 15 Feb 20 4.43pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Anyone with any sense knows that the Chinese government and Chinese company's are one and the same. One says jump and the other says how high. I really didn't understand the decision to include China in our mobile infrastructure. Nor me - clearly subsidised by the state.
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hove actually 15 Feb 20 4.43pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Anyone with any sense knows that the Chinese government and Chinese company's are one and the same. One says jump and the other says how high.

I really didn't understand the decision to include China in our mobile infrastructure.

Nor me - clearly subsidised by the state.

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Midlands Eagle 15 Feb 20 5.34pm
Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly But it's cheap, so let's go for the quick and shoddy option. Buy cheap,....buy twice Bruce Willis has a wonderful line in Armageddon "You know we're sitting on four million pounds of fuel, one nuclear weapon and a thing that has 270,000 moving parts built by the lowest bidder. Makes you feel good, doesn't it?"
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Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

But it's cheap, so let's go for the quick and shoddy option.

Buy cheap,....buy twice

Bruce Willis has a wonderful line in Armageddon "You know we're sitting on four million pounds of fuel, one nuclear weapon and a thing that has 270,000 moving parts built by the lowest bidder. Makes you feel good, doesn't it?"

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Stirlingsays 15 Feb 20 5.54pm
'What gets us into trouble is not what we don't know. It's what we know for sure that just ain't so' (Twain) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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15 Feb 20 5.54pm

'What gets us into trouble is not what we don't know. It's what we know for sure that just ain't so'
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'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 15 Feb 20 7.49pm
So how does the UK get competitive with Europe ? Perchance, eroding employment regulations and minimum wage tariffs. There is very little flexibility in any other areas. Where do we think 'cost-effectiveness' will begin with HS2 ? Plus the added benefit of non-compliance with EU regulations on environment. "The facts have changed", Rishi Sunak
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So how does the UK get competitive with Europe ?

Perchance, eroding employment regulations and minimum wage tariffs. There is very little flexibility in any other areas.

Where do we think 'cost-effectiveness' will begin with HS2 ? Plus the added benefit of non-compliance with EU regulations on environment.

"The facts have changed", Rishi Sunak

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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 30 Jul 23 5.20am
[Link] The HS2 rail line has been given an "unachievable" rating by the official infrastructure watchdog. It has been granted a "red" warning for its first two phases - from London to Birmingham then onto Crewe - by the Infrastructure and Projects Authority. It adds there are "major issues with project definition, schedule, budget, quality and/or benefits delivery, which at this stage do not appear to be manageable or resolvable". But apart from that, it's all OK. Some people have already got very rich from this project. What do they care if it fails ? "The facts have changed", Rishi Sunak
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The HS2 rail line has been given an "unachievable" rating by the official infrastructure watchdog.

It has been granted a "red" warning for its first two phases - from London to Birmingham then onto Crewe - by the Infrastructure and Projects Authority. It adds there are "major issues with project definition, schedule, budget, quality and/or benefits delivery, which at this stage do not appear to be manageable or resolvable".

But apart from that, it's all OK.
Some people have already got very rich from this project. What do they care if it fails ?

"The facts have changed", Rishi Sunak

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steeleye20 Croydon 30 Jul 23 6.23pm
If anything symbolizes the last 13 years it is surely HS2, a complete and unmitigated disaster. Completely misconceived from the very start, a vanity project that could never have done what said on the tin, at a cost of well over £100 billions bleeding the rest of the rail network dry. Even now, they don't even know if there will be a London terminus, when it completes in 2040 it will be as out of date as steam. This should be cancelled and a full public enquiry to learn the lessons from it, the most obvious being never to let the tories in office again. Grrrrrr.....
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Croydon 30 Jul 23 6.23pm

If anything symbolizes the last 13 years it is surely HS2, a complete and unmitigated disaster.

Completely misconceived from the very start, a vanity project that could never have done what said on the tin, at a cost of well over £100 billions bleeding the rest of the rail network dry.

Even now, they don't even know if there will be a London terminus, when it completes in 2040 it will be as out of date as steam.

This should be cancelled and a full public enquiry to learn the lessons from it, the most obvious being never to let the tories in office again.

Grrrrrr.....

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georgenorman 30 Jul 23 6.29pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 If anything symbolizes the last 13 years it is surely HS2, a complete and unmitigated disaster. Completely misconceived from the very start, a vanity project that could never have done what said on the tin, at a cost of well over £100 billions bleeding the rest of the rail network dry. Even now, they don't even know if there will be a London terminus, when it completes in 2040 it will be as out of date as steam. This should be cancelled and a full public enquiry to learn the lessons from it, the most obvious being never to let the tories in office again. Grrrrrr..... The lesson is that whatever governments do, they do it is an inefficient and incompetent manner, and that people should vote for parties that propose less government. Edited by georgenorman (30 Jul 2023 6.29pm)
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30 Jul 23 6.29pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

If anything symbolizes the last 13 years it is surely HS2, a complete and unmitigated disaster.

Completely misconceived from the very start, a vanity project that could never have done what said on the tin, at a cost of well over £100 billions bleeding the rest of the rail network dry.

Even now, they don't even know if there will be a London terminus, when it completes in 2040 it will be as out of date as steam.

This should be cancelled and a full public enquiry to learn the lessons from it, the most obvious being never to let the tories in office again.

Grrrrrr.....

The lesson is that whatever governments do, they do it is an inefficient and incompetent manner, and that people should vote for parties that propose less government.

Edited by georgenorman (30 Jul 2023 6.29pm)

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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 30 Jul 23 6.45pm
I would guess many many £hundredsofmillions spent on compulsorily purchasing land and property. Similar amounts spent on enabling works and infrastructure installation. It's like they've just opened up a giant sink-hole for money. It's like the Olympics preparation all over again, but on an endless timeframe. A few months ago people were lauding progress and touting for another cash injection. Now the brown-stuff is about to hit the fan, I wonder if there's anyone culpable around ? Funny, they were here a minute ago, . . . . "The facts have changed", Rishi Sunak
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I would guess many many £hundredsofmillions spent on compulsorily purchasing land and property. Similar amounts spent on enabling works and infrastructure installation.
It's like they've just opened up a giant sink-hole for money.
It's like the Olympics preparation all over again, but on an endless timeframe.
A few months ago people were lauding progress and touting for another cash injection.
Now the brown-stuff is about to hit the fan, I wonder if there's anyone culpable around ? Funny, they were here a minute ago, . . . .

"The facts have changed", Rishi Sunak

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