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Saw all 3 got to be Stokes - magnificent!!

 

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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Little doubt.

Those weren't really three Shredded Wheat.

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Watching that makes you realise how much cricket has fallen in popularity. Botham was a household name, as big as any football player of his day.

Stokes could have similar cross over appeal but I guess cricket just doesn’t have the following anymore.

 


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Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle

Watching that makes you realise how much cricket has fallen in popularity. Botham was a household name, as big as any football player of his day.

Stokes could have similar cross over appeal but I guess cricket just doesn’t have the following anymore.

You are right of course.....the day the working man got to see national sports without a king's ransom is long gone.

Apparently that's meant to be accepted.

 

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View steeleye20's Profile steeleye20 Flag Croydon 26 Aug 19 8.45pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

It is subjective but the predicament that Stokes was in and the response shades it for me, clearing six after six with Aussie fielders on the boundary, 73 for the last wicket.

Such is cricket, in the first innings of 67 Stokes gave away his wicket with a wretched shot, followed by a wayward spell of fast bowling going for 7 an over.

 

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View beak's Profile beak Flag croydon 26 Aug 19 9.20pm Send a Private Message to beak Add beak as a friend

Botham by a mile , look at Cricinfo,he has a better average for Batting/ Bowling and the catches of a wicketkeeper,hands like dinner plates!

 

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Originally posted by beak

Botham by a mile , look at Cricinfo,he has a better average for Batting/ Bowling and the catches of a wicketkeeper,hands like dinner plates!

I believe Stokes actually has a slightly higher batting average.

Do agree with you about Botham though, but not by a mile

 


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View Midlands Eagle's Profile Midlands Eagle Flag 27 Aug 19 7.32am Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by willardnz

I just wished his Dad never took up that coaching role in England ..... :-(

We certainly wouldn't have won the World Cup if Stokes had been playing for New Zealand

 

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View JohnB's Profile JohnB Flag 27 Aug 19 7.57am Send a Private Message to JohnB Add JohnB as a friend

All excellent players and whilst I think Botham was possibly marginally better in his day, Stokes' World Cup and Ashes innings edges him for me. You can have all the talent in the world, but to perform like that under that pressure and when everyone else is falling apart around you in immense.

 

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View ex hibitionist's Profile ex hibitionist Flag Hastings 27 Aug 19 6.16pm Send a Private Message to ex hibitionist Add ex hibitionist as a friend

what makes the Stokes innings so great for me is not just the final flourish but the dot ball hours he spent the day before, the innings was like the ultimate example of how to bat - I may be going up my fundament at this point but I do believe this to be true

 

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View Pete53's Profile Pete53 Flag Hassocks 28 Aug 19 2.23pm Send a Private Message to Pete53 Add Pete53 as a friend

Originally posted by ex hibitionist

what makes the Stokes innings so great for me is not just the final flourish but the dot ball hours he spent the day before, the innings was like the ultimate example of how to bat - I may be going up my fundament at this point but I do believe this to be true

Agreed. So often in the past when our players have faced an uphill task they have capitulated. It's as if they don't have the stomach or mental make-up for a digging in and batting against the odds, and rush things as if they just want to get it over with.

That's what made Stoke's innings very special. He set about his task in a business like way and didn't hurry things unnecessarily. And when the crunch came with only Jack Leach left he played intelligently and bravely.

 

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View twist's Profile twist Flag Miami, Florida 30 Aug 19 9.12pm Send a Private Message to twist Add twist as a friend

Botham's total score from 2 world cup finals is 4 runs.
Stokes is 84 N/O.

Botham had a better team to play with as well.

Loved Botham to death, and the eighties were when i was most interested in cricket, with Botham being 99% of the reason.


I know the world of cricket is way more than world cups, but i think we are only just starting to see the greatness which is Stokes. Sure hes developed late, but hes got a good 5+ years at top level to go.

 

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