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View NEILLO's Profile NEILLO Flag Shoreham-by-Sea 19 Sep 19 4.07pm Send a Private Message to NEILLO Add NEILLO as a friend

Originally posted by Goal Machine

This is exactly my point - he didn't get a run in the team which is why he's now out on loan at a lower league team. It's no good giving someone 20 minutes, they need at least 5/6 games to see if they can swim.

All Premier League teams would rather pay big bucks for an unknown foreign player then risk a youngster. Hence why all our decent youngsters are now playing in the Bundesliga.

Bostock would have made it if he'd stayed at Palace rather than stunting his growth chasing the big money at Spurs.

My point is that Boateng didnít do enough to justify that run. A decent 20 minute cameo is not enough.

He went to Plymouth where after making a good initial impression, he struggled.

You said it yourself - PL teams see it as a risk playing young players making it harder for them to break through but I would argue that the financial stakes are higher than the Budesliga hence the reluctance. And come on, itís not ALL of our decent youngsters.

Iíd love to see a Palace team built around home grown talent but the way football is at the moment itís hard to see that happening and not necessarily the fault of the club or the manager.

 


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View Ginger Pubic Wig's Profile Ginger Pubic Wig Flag Wickham de L'Ouest 20 Sep 19 6.48am Send a Private Message to Ginger Pubic Wig Add Ginger Pubic Wig as a friend

I wonder how much of our current apparent malaise stems from the Americans having (possibly) disengaged? have they moved to a different way of valuing us, for e.g., now that they seem to want out?

 

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View Midlands Eagle's Profile Midlands Eagle Flag 20 Sep 19 7.32am Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Goal Machine

This is exactly my point - he didn't get a run in the team which is why he's now out on loan at a lower league team. It's no good giving someone 20 minutes, they need at least 5/6 games to see if they can swim.

If I remember rightly Hiram Boateng was released a couple of seasons ago and joined Exeter

 

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View YT's Profile YT Flag Oxford 20 Sep 19 7.39am Send a Private Message to YT Add YT as a friend

This isn't unique to football. In the normal workplace, many managers and companies love to 'bring in talent' from outside, rather than giving opportunities to perfectly capable individuals that are already in their employ. They get a buzz out of prising a person away from a rival employer.

My perception is that the Prem is awash with mediocre foreign players, who were basically 'unheard of' before they came here, and who most us wouldn't cross the road to watch play if we happened to be in their home country.

 


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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

If I remember rightly Hiram Boateng was released a couple of seasons ago and joined Exeter

Exactly. If he was so good how come he hasn't pulled up trees at a lower club where he would get playing time.

We get this a lot complaints that young players don't get a chance at a PL club get released and then drift out of football.

Football is not just about skill you also need determination or sheer bloodymindedness. Vinnie Jones was never a great player but he had those qualities. If you get released or transferred the correct response is to show them on the pitch they were wrong and if this means you drop down to a lower standard so be it.

 


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View YT's Profile YT Flag Oxford 20 Sep 19 8.49am Send a Private Message to YT Add YT as a friend

I've always borne in mind a passage in 'Fever Pitch' by Nick Hornby, neatly summarised here:

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Edited by YT (20 Sep 2019 8.49am)

 


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View CrazyBadger's Profile CrazyBadger Flag Ware 20 Sep 19 10.12am Send a Private Message to CrazyBadger Add CrazyBadger as a friend

It always surprises me that more of these youngsters dont go abroad.
It appears the English league is a bad place to be an academy graduate. You either get straight into the first team like Wilf, or you disappear into insignificance, like the 1000's of players you've never heard of.

It strikes me that going to a similar club, in say the Bundasliga, you'll Get more opportunities to play higher level football, learn your trade, work your way up. then when/if you're good enough, and more established you'kl get a big Money Move to the PL.

only the top clubs seem able to play youngsters - and even then very rarely. Liverpool have been most successful(TAA, flanagan), ManU bed youth - but only because their Transfer policy is crap; Rashford only got a chance as they were short one week, Greenwood is now doing the same. ManC and the case of Foden/Sancho is A prime example. Foden - who everyone said(and still is saying) is the better talent, stayed and they let Sancho go to germany. Sancho now has thrived, earning england call ups, and is in gossip columns every week about big money moves back to the PL. Where's Foden? stuck in the reserves for ManC while they lose to Norwich, only getting in the England u21s.
Then there's Chelsea. The archetypal 'buy loads of young talent and loan them to within an inch of their life, never to play in the first team'. They've had the changes forced upon them by their transfer ban, and to his credit Lampard has brought in all the youngsters this time round, and doing alright. but this is an anomaly, and would never have happenned without the transfer ban.
We as Nation need these players playing. If I were advising any I would tell them to seriously consider going abroad to play 1st team football

 

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Hi, know I'm a few days late here but I was at this media event at the academy so might be able to shed some light on the quotes (was myself from the SLP, the Standard, Football London and the Athletic). That quote was meant in the context that - statistically - the reality is that young players are unlikely to make it at the club. It was a kind of "go and prove me wrong" type thing. It's not that he has completely written off their chances of ever playing football.

To add to what someone else said, yeah Shaw always comes across really well. I've done a few interviews with him before and he's really interesting on a range of subjects.

Originally posted by Bangell

"The harsh reality is, the guys that are here now are not going to make it at Crystal Palace, they are not going to make it in the Premier League. It is tough, it is hard. They might make it in League One, Two or the National League."

Absolutely extraordinary to read this. I do hope he meant to say "most of them aren't going to make it", not that he has no hope in any of his current players being of any value to our club in the PL.

 


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Kian Flanagan was outspoken but made some really important points about U23 football. I wrote a piece slightly different to the Standard and included a few more quotes from Lewis Bryon, Nya Kirby and Gio McGregor. Bryon spoke about the U23 "bubble" and the sense that you can become too comfortable if you are not getting out on loan.

You can find that here: [Link]

 

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View Ginger Pubic Wig's Profile Ginger Pubic Wig Flag Wickham de L'Ouest 20 Sep 19 6.28pm Send a Private Message to Ginger Pubic Wig Add Ginger Pubic Wig as a friend

Originally posted by smitherscpfc

Kian Flanagan was outspoken but made some really important points about U23 football. I wrote a piece slightly different to the Standard and included a few more quotes from Lewis Bryon, Nya Kirby and Gio McGregor. Bryon spoke about the U23 "bubble" and the sense that you can become too comfortable if you are not getting out on loan.

You can find that here: [Link]

That's a really good piece. Well done. it makes sense now Flanagan talking about 'we'. in another article with the same quotes, it talked only about him...Which made it seem like he was discussing the royal we.

The club needs to be far more proactive and creative about giving these players the experiences they need. We should buy a little club in Europe and ship them off there for 1st team football.

 

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Originally posted by Ginger Pubic Wig

That's a really good piece. Well done. it makes sense now Flanagan talking about 'we'. in another article with the same quotes, it talked only about him...Which made it seem like he was discussing the royal we.

The club needs to be far more proactive and creative about giving these players the experiences they need. We should buy a little club in Europe and ship them off there for 1st team football.

Thanks! Kian was the most vocal so perhaps the temptation among other organisations was to just go with his quotes. The problem with that is his use of 'we', while not mentioning the fact that there were six of them sat there, make him sound arrogant. I can vouch for the fact that he was the complete opposite and just clearly had something he wanted to get off his chest.

On your final point, the topic of the club having a feeder to whom they can send players on loan came up but quotes are embargoed until the October international break.

 


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Originally posted by cryrst

You wonder if AWB was one who "wont make it here"
A pure fluke that he got a game and the rest as they say is history.
Just a chance is all they need.
How uninspired they must feel now.
Why is it rumoured that a german club is after jadan and we or rather our management cant see a slight bit quality.
Pisses me right off.
We dont buy and we dont use our youth.
Stagnant and stale.

first you have to be good enough to train and stand out with the first team squad, you have to earn the right. when your a prem club the youngsters need to be exceptionall. hopefully the new set up can attract better young players.

 

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