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View mattteo's Profile mattteo Flag 26 Jan 20 7.13pm Send a Private Message to mattteo Add mattteo as a friend

Originally posted by ambrose77

Not sure where you got him being a centre back from? Every game heís played has been at right back or covering for left back!

Not sure where you got him playing "every" game at right back.

He has 48 matches as center half in his career and only 12 as right back.

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He has filled in at right back, just as Phil Jones has. Doesn't mean he's a right back. 12 compared to 48 is much less.

 

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View ambrose77's Profile ambrose77 Flag wallington 26 Jan 20 7.24pm Send a Private Message to ambrose77 Add ambrose77 as a friend

Originally posted by mattteo

Not sure where you got him playing "every" game at right back.

He has 48 matches as center half in his career and only 12 as right back.

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He has filled in at right back, just as Phil Jones has. Doesn't mean he's a right back. 12 compared to 48 is much less.

That would be like calling wan bissaka a winger or ederson a striker because they played their in the youth teams. Heís made his name as a very capable right back and I donít see many scenarios where toy would want o need to play him as a cb. Good knowledge though to be fair I didnít know he played cb at all! Iím basing what Iíve seen of him since being in the Albion first team.

 

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View berlinpalace's Profile berlinpalace Flag berlin 26 Jan 20 7.31pm Send a Private Message to berlinpalace Add berlinpalace as a friend

Originally posted by mattteo

Not sure where you got him playing "every" game at right back.

He has 48 matches as center half in his career and only 12 as right back.

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He has filled in at right back, just as Phil Jones has. Doesn't mean he's a right back. 12 compared to 48 is much less. [/quote

ALL of his senior games have been at either left back or right back.

 

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View mattteo's Profile mattteo Flag 26 Jan 20 9.50pm Send a Private Message to mattteo Add mattteo as a friend

Originally posted by berlinpalace


ALL of his senior games have been at either left back or right back.

Ok, so that's 12 matches as right back. Is that enough to call someone a right back? Can someone even make an impression after this? And 9 matches at left back.

At best, it's nice that he can cover in those positions (though I've hardly seen a right footed player cover at left back with the same good results as a left footed one- they do, but they just play like a very defensive minded playing, always passing with their better foot towards the center)

 

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View Tim Gypsy Hill '64's Profile Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Flag Stoke sub normal 26 Jan 20 10.11pm Send a Private Message to Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Add Tim Gypsy Hill '64 as a friend

Originally posted by mattteo

Ok, so that's 12 matches as right back. Is that enough to call someone a right back? Can someone even make an impression after this? And 9 matches at left back.

At best, it's nice that he can cover in those positions (though I've hardly seen a right footed player cover at left back with the same good results as a left footed one- they do, but they just play like a very defensive minded playing, always passing with their better foot towards the center)

AWB made a pretty good impression in a very short space of time. Why not this guy?

 


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View Hudsoneagle's Profile Hudsoneagle Flag 26 Jan 20 10.11pm Send a Private Message to Hudsoneagle Add Hudsoneagle as a friend

Letís hope the club pay more attention to the form a player has shown in competitive games and not youth games. After all only an idiot would discount competitive games over youth games.

 

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View mattteo's Profile mattteo Flag 26 Jan 20 10.26pm Send a Private Message to mattteo Add mattteo as a friend

Originally posted by Hudsoneagle

Letís hope the club pay more attention to the form a player has shown in competitive games and not youth games. After all only an idiot would discount competitive games over youth games.

Only an idiot would discount any game. Why not look at youth games? It's where most of the information about Nathan Ferguson comes from.

Sure, seeing him in action against Championship opposition is the reason why the transfer is being done in the first place, but he's very young and able to run now. In a few years, he will only be able to play as center back, no more as fullback, because he will be bulkier and slower. Ok, maybe fill in as Kelly does, but that doesn't mean he's a good right back by trade. A good center back, yes, I give that to Kelly. But right back? Hardly anyone thinks so. Same for Ginter of the German national team. Same or Phil Jones. Same for Stones. Same for Alderweireld. They all entered first team football as right backs, because they were very young and effort-willing and their teams did not throw them in immediately as center backs, they didn't have the courage.

Edited by mattteo (26 Jan 2020 10.28pm)

 

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View Hudsoneagle's Profile Hudsoneagle Flag 27 Jan 20 12.07am Send a Private Message to Hudsoneagle Add Hudsoneagle as a friend

Matteo perhaps itís time to practise what you preach then. After all you said Kyle Water Peters wasnít good enough based on his lack of competitive appearances. You didnít seem to want to take into account he had won the under 20ís World Cup. Now youíve done a 360 to try and prove your own point as usual...I think transfer talk should be re named Matteo opinion page.

 

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View mattteo's Profile mattteo Flag 27 Jan 20 1.01am Send a Private Message to mattteo Add mattteo as a friend

Originally posted by Hudsoneagle

Matteo perhaps itís time to practise what you preach then. After all you said Kyle Water Peters wasnít good enough based on his lack of competitive appearances. You didnít seem to want to take into account he had won the under 20ís World Cup. Now youíve done a 360 to try and prove your own point as usual...I think transfer talk should be re named Matteo opinion page.

I don't think you get it. See, you use words like "you've done a 360" for a totally different situation (did I say that KWP didn't win the title with England at U210? I said to look at who he played against) and you make this about me giving my opinion (on a thread for talking about players no less) instead of actually coming with an argument. Cause you don't have one.

 

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View Hudsoneagle's Profile Hudsoneagle Flag 27 Jan 20 9.10am Send a Private Message to Hudsoneagle Add Hudsoneagle as a friend

Originally posted by mattteo

I don't think you get it. See, you use words like "you've done a 360" for a totally different situation (did I say that KWP didn't win the title with England at U210? I said to look at who he played against) and you make this about me giving my opinion (on a thread for talking about players no less) instead of actually coming with an argument. Cause you don't have one.

I donít come here for an argument pal I come here to find out who Palace might be signing. Just a shame I come across your agenda driven opinions more often than I find what I came here for in the first place.

 

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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 27 Jan 20 10.01am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

I have had a conversation with a chap about players who played in different positions as youth players than they do or did as established first team players at their respective clubs.

I am informed that Ashley Cole was a striker but filled-in at left-back at the Arsenal academy due to an injury and he stayed there. Tripper was a midfielder until his latter teen years and Kyle Walker was a centre-forward.Francis Benali played for England schoolboys as a striker.

Edited by Willo (27 Jan 2020 10.05am)

 

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View Midlands Eagle's Profile Midlands Eagle Flag 27 Jan 20 10.18am Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Hudsoneagle

I donít come here for an argument pal

I admire your sense of humour

 

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