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View Matov's Profile Matov Online Flag 04 Feb 20 12.10pm Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

The Democrats are off to a flying start...

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LOL. They really don't want Sanders to win.

As to the ultimate outcome still far to early to make a call. One thing though is the Trump rallies. Still drawing huge crowds with people sleeping through the night to get into them.

The economy is strong, his approval ratings have held up so I suspect it is his to lose but we shall see.

 

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Can't see past Trump unless The Democrats completely change candidates. Somebody like Michelle Obama would probably win easily - the band wagon would be full pretty quickly.

 


Red and Blue Army!

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View Matov's Profile Matov Online Flag 04 Feb 20 12.37pm Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Originally posted by ASCPFC

Can't see past Trump...

A little wary myself. The US electoral college can sometimes make victories appear a lot more decisive than they actually were. Trump not winning the popular vote was not unexpected given how skewed the figures are in places such as California (imagine Islington with beaches and better weather) but his actual victory came down to less than 100,000 votes. Does not take much to swing that.

I want Trump to win but felt far more confidence in him last time around. US politics is a filthy business and he was not meant to win in 2016. Cannot see its Establishment making the same mistakes this time although the evidence on display so far perhaps contradicts that.

 

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View ASCPFC's Profile ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 04 Feb 20 12.41pm Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

Originally posted by Matov

A little wary myself. The US electoral college can sometimes make victories appear a lot more decisive than they actually were. Trump not winning the popular vote was not unexpected given how skewed the figures are in places such as California (imagine Islington with beaches and better weather) but his actual victory came down to less than 100,000 votes. Does not take much to swing that.

I want Trump to win but felt far more confidence in him last time around. US politics is a filthy business and he was not meant to win in 2016. Cannot see its Establishment making the same mistakes this time although the evidence on display so far perhaps contradicts that.

In a two party system there has to be a viable alternative. Maybe it's just my view, but the alternatives seem incredibly weak.
Can someone else join the race? I have no idea of the rules/ laws. That is the only game changer I can envisage.

 


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Hilary is still hovering in the background. I think she is hoping that as the current list of wannabees lurch from one disaster to another that Democratic voters will demand she enter the race.

I suspect most politicians love the conceit "cometh the hour cometh the (wo)man e.g. Churchill replacing Chamberlain but I can't see that happening here.

It's Trump's to lose.

 


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View Matov's Profile Matov Online Flag 04 Feb 20 1.05pm Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Originally posted by ASCPFC

In a two party system there has to be a viable alternative. Maybe it's just my view, but the alternatives seem incredibly weak.
Can someone else join the race? I have no idea of the rules/ laws. That is the only game changer I can envisage.


My take, and you have to take this with a degree of skepticism because I am essentially articulating what is nothing more than a hunch really, is that the Democrat establishment would rather have Trump win than see Sanders take over. Because he would probably do far more damage to their Corporate paymasters than anybody else.

They have already changed their rules to allow Bloomberg to make his presence felt and I suspect they feel that it might be better for them to have another Billionaire (and one MUCH richer than Trump) as their candidate or at least willing to fund them. Which I suspect he will not do if Sanders wins the nomination.

But what is going on in Iowa stinks the more and more I read about it.

 

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Iowa caucus: 'I'm the winner' says Trump.

You know what, he probably is.....at least when it comes to the memes.

Edited by Stirlingsays (04 Feb 2020 3.19pm)

 

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Nancy Pelosi, the John Bercow of the USA.

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 05 Feb 20 9.01am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by Matov


My take, and you have to take this with a degree of skepticism because I am essentially articulating what is nothing more than a hunch really, is that the Democrat establishment would rather have Trump win than see Sanders take over. Because he would probably do far more damage to their Corporate paymasters than anybody else.

They have already changed their rules to allow Bloomberg to make his presence felt and I suspect they feel that it might be better for them to have another Billionaire (and one MUCH richer than Trump) as their candidate or at least willing to fund them. Which I suspect he will not do if Sanders wins the nomination.

But what is going on in Iowa stinks the more and more I read about it.

I am surprised that the Democrats haven't blame Trump or Russia for this fiasco it certainly has done them no favours with the voters, and none of the candidates have emerged with any credit either.

Edited by Badger11 (05 Feb 2020 9.02am)

 


One more point

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View Matov's Profile Matov Online Flag 05 Feb 20 12.21pm Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Originally posted by georgenorman

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Nancy Pelosi, the John Bercow of the USA.


Wonderous stuff. And on top of the farce that was Iowa for the Democrats you have to wonder what on earth is going on with them.

An interesting ride awaits, that much is for sure.

 

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Trump isn't going to stop demographic replacement in the US but his state of the union address contained some pretty based stuff and of course.....the republicans have shown up those who claimed that Trump would wreck their economy.

 

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View W12's Profile W12 Flag 05 Feb 20 1.22pm Send a Private Message to W12 Add W12 as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Trump isn't going to stop demographic replacement in the US but his state of the union address contained some pretty based stuff and of course.....the republicans have shown up those who claimed that Trump would wreck their economy.

I'm no great admirer of Trump but he's infinately better than any of the democrats. Also, a lot better than our own Boris Johnson.

 

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