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View eaglesdare's Profile eaglesdare Flag 29 Apr 22 9.30am Send a Private Message to eaglesdare Add eaglesdare as a friend

Originally posted by W12

People are injecting this s*** into their children without even thinking about the potential consequences but because "the science". How is that a personal decision for the child?

I agree! But what can you do? I feel awful inside when I see young kids wearing masks! or getting thier vax. its just not our place to say to get angry over it!

You have to try and blank it otherwise it will eat you up!

 

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View BlueJay's Profile BlueJay Flag UK 29 Apr 22 10.16am Send a Private Message to BlueJay Add BlueJay as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

Brilliant. Did you ever study science or statistics? This chap is a moron

‘You are twice as likely to catch the virus if you had the booster shot’

Assuming the data are based on testing those not vaccinated are also prone not to test. The tests include multiple tests per individual.

No concept of the demographics of those getting the shots. Age and job types for example.

Also no discussion that the shots are critical to not getting badly ill when the virus is caught

There is zero point in debating this idiot’s views and therefore with you. Anti vax is one weird religion. Feckin dangerous to boot.

Edited by Mapletree (25 Apr 2022 8.23am)

Edited by Mapletree (25 Apr 2022 8.29am)

Indeed. It's a shame people again and again buy into alarmist takes and really when it comes down to it, don't seem happy that 'anyone' was vaccinated. I wouldn't like to see the death toll and long covid in their reality.

 

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View BlueJay's Profile BlueJay Flag UK 29 Apr 22 10.19am Send a Private Message to BlueJay Add BlueJay as a friend

Originally posted by eaglesdare

Just leave people to make thier own decisions! I am unvaccinated by choice as I made an informed decision like most people did.

I would say at this stage, with protection elevated through vaccination and mass covid circulating, it's a fair choice to have made and to stick to. It always was a choice, just with certain temporary restrictions attached due to the gravity and unknowns of the situation.

Edited by BlueJay (29 Apr 2022 10.19am)

 

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View eaglesdare's Profile eaglesdare Flag 29 Apr 22 10.43am Send a Private Message to eaglesdare Add eaglesdare as a friend

Originally posted by BlueJay

I would say at this stage, with protection elevated through vaccination and mass covid circulating, it's a fair choice to have made and to stick to. It always was a choice, just with certain temporary restrictions attached due to the gravity and unknowns of the situation.

Edited by BlueJay (29 Apr 2022 10.19am)

In England, yes it was. However in most other countries it was pretty much mandatory! One of the main reason I moved to london for the year until it all blew over.

I remember this time last April having to sneak past the Garda (police) at the Dublin airport to board a plane to the Heathrow. Very dark times when I think back to it all!

 

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View BlueJay's Profile BlueJay Flag UK 29 Apr 22 10.52am Send a Private Message to BlueJay Add BlueJay as a friend

Originally posted by eaglesdare

In England, yes it was. However in most other countries it was pretty much mandatory! One of the main reason I moved to london for the year until it all blew over.

I remember this time last April having to sneak past the Garda (police) at the Dublin airport to board a plane to the Heathrow. Very dark times when I think back to it all!

Yes, I certainly never agreed that everyone should be forced get it. At the same time though, I see clear upsides to the leg up given by this vaccine that should not be understated, and demonisation without basis.

I'm with you that I'm pleased restrictions have fallen away, and there is a good argument that should've happened much sooner. I've had covid twice at this point, but after vaccination wasn't really averse to that happening as I knew I'd done my best to protect myself and saw the limited impact of covid beyond that as more of a natural 'booster' than anything. I can appreciate why the elderly and immunocompromised would have a different take though of course.

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 29 Apr 22 11.14am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by eaglesdare

I agree! But what can you do? I feel awful inside when I see young kids wearing masks! or getting thier vax. its just not our place to say to get angry over it!

You have to try and blank it otherwise it will eat you up!

I get angry when I encounter views which discourage kids from wearing masks, if that's what their parents believe is in their best interests, or getting vaccinated.

Masks harm no-one, but they can protect the user both from infection and, crucially, in the case of children, from infecting others.

Vaccination against disease has been a vital part of health programmes for a very long time, and has made a huge contribution to the improvement in our health and life expectancy.

Just because the development of the Covid vaccines was accomplished in a superfast time doesn't mean all the checks and trials weren't done. These vaccines might be new, but the science behind them is well understood and tested. They might be new vaccines, but they are still vaccines. The fear and misinformation campaigns of the anti-vax movements are a shameful manifestation of the power of social media to convince people of things that just aren't true.

 

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View eaglesdare's Profile eaglesdare Flag 29 Apr 22 11.47am Send a Private Message to eaglesdare Add eaglesdare as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I get angry when I encounter views which discourage kids from wearing masks, if that's what their parents believe is in their best interests, or getting vaccinated.

Masks harm no-one, but they can protect the user both from infection and, crucially, in the case of children, from infecting others.

Vaccination against disease has been a vital part of health programmes for a very long time, and has made a huge contribution to the improvement in our health and life expectancy.

Just because the development of the Covid vaccines was accomplished in a superfast time doesn't mean all the checks and trials weren't done. These vaccines might be new, but the science behind them is well understood and tested. They might be new vaccines, but they are still vaccines. The fear and misinformation campaigns of the anti-vax movements are a shameful manifestation of the power of social media to convince people of things that just aren't true.

This is my point! Cant argue with a parents decision what they think is best for thier kids.

I am completely against masks, especially for kids. But who am I to tell someone to not wear one or tell parents what they do with thier kids.

You can get angry all you want at my view but it will not change my views. I respect your view. However I don't agree with it. I believe Masks are harmful and especially to young kids!

Edited by eaglesdare (29 Apr 2022 11.50am)

 

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View BlueJay's Profile BlueJay Flag UK 29 Apr 22 11.49am Send a Private Message to BlueJay Add BlueJay as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I get angry when I encounter views which discourage kids from wearing masks, if that's what their parents believe is in their best interests, or getting vaccinated.

Masks harm no-one, but they can protect the user both from infection and, crucially, in the case of children, from infecting others.

Vaccination against disease has been a vital part of health programmes for a very long time, and has made a huge contribution to the improvement in our health and life expectancy.

Just because the development of the Covid vaccines was accomplished in a superfast time doesn't mean all the checks and trials weren't done. These vaccines might be new, but the science behind them is well understood and tested. They might be new vaccines, but they are still vaccines. The fear and misinformation campaigns of the anti-vax movements are a shameful manifestation of the power of social media to convince people of things that just aren't true.

I can understand the push and reasoning behind getting as many people vaccinated as possible, but the vaccinating kids point was always a tricky one. At minimum I think both parent 'and' child should have to agree to get vaccinated. As covid doesn't seem to significantly impact children in great numbers, its purpose then falls at whether it can slow transmission to others and if any potential trade off is worth it. With certain variants it did appear to slow transmission but less so with later ones, and with so much Covid around now and no restrictions it becomes, in my view, a fairly pointless task in kids outside of those with health needs that make it advantageous. They would certainly be wise to have it.

As a side note, society partly through economic conditions of the past and partly voting block power is fairly geared towards the elderly, and that is true of the Covid response too. The young have it much tougher than they did in decades gone by, and realistically have to work much harder than we did to have what we have. The 'we're all in it together' push is a two way street when we expect the young to help the elderly. I rarely see much concern in the other direction from government or society.

Edited by BlueJay (29 Apr 2022 11.51am)

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 29 Apr 22 12.03pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by eaglesdare

This is my point! Cant argue with a parents decision what they think is best for thier kids.

I am completely against masks, especially for kids. But who am I to tell someone to not wear one or tell parents what they do with thier kids.

You can get angry all you want at my view but it will not change my views. I respect your view. However I don't agree with it. I believe Masks are harmful and especially to young kids!

Edited by eaglesdare (29 Apr 2022 11.50am)

In what possible way can masks be harmful? It's already been established that the idea they restrict breathing is untrue, so what other harm can there be?

It's not only the parent's view that matters. Parents don't own their children. They are responsible for them and if they fail to exercise that responsibility the state has a duty to protect the child.

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 29 Apr 22 12.07pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by BlueJay

I can understand the push and reasoning behind getting as many people vaccinated as possible, but the vaccinating kids point was always a tricky one. At minimum I think both parent 'and' child should have to agree to get vaccinated. As covid doesn't seem to significantly impact children in great numbers, its purpose then falls at whether it can slow transmission to others and if any potential trade off is worth it. With certain variants it did appear to slow transmission but less so with later ones, and with so much Covid around now and no restrictions it becomes, in my view, a fairly pointless task in kids outside of those with health needs that make it advantageous. They would certainly be wise to have it.

As a side note, society partly through economic conditions of the past and partly voting block power is fairly geared towards the elderly, and that is true of the Covid response too. The young have it much tougher than they did in decades gone by, and realistically have to work much harder than we did to have what we have. The 'we're all in it together' push is a two way street when we expect the young to help the elderly. I rarely see much concern in the other direction from government or society.

Edited by BlueJay (29 Apr 2022 11.51am)

Whilst I acknowledge the arguments, I defer to those more expert than me. If the medical consensus is that, on balance, they are better vaccinated than not, then vaccinated they should be.

 

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View eaglesdare's Profile eaglesdare Flag 29 Apr 22 12.19pm Send a Private Message to eaglesdare Add eaglesdare as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

In what possible way can masks be harmful? It's already been established that the idea they restrict breathing is untrue, so what other harm can there be?

It's not only the parent's view that matters. Parents don't own their children. They are responsible for them and if they fail to exercise that responsibility the state has a duty to protect the child.

One cause is that we and especially kids at a young age do not get exposed to common pathogens to common infections.

This will in the future cause people to get more sick with little infections that we would normally brush off in the future and dare I say increase hospitalisations and strain on the NHS etc.. etc...

Already there is a huge increase in children in hospitals with hepatitis and this is due to masks, social distancing and lockdowns! - very surprised sky news had reported this and some newspapers! The narrative is changing :-)

 

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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 29 Apr 22 12.21pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

In what possible way can masks be harmful? It's already been established that the idea they restrict breathing is untrue, so what other harm can there be?

It's not only the parent's view that matters. Parents don't own their children. They are responsible for them and if they fail to exercise that responsibility the state has a duty to protect the child.

This guy

 


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