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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 05 Sep 22 12.42am Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Yet another distortion. I am beginning to think you have an obsession with trying to rewrite my opinions.

I have never suggested that police resources were the only issue, only that we need to cut them some slack when we ask them to do so many things that it's impossible for them to do them all. That so many police forces seem to have adopted the same strategy suggests to me that there was some co-ordination behind it. Which further suggests that not only was the scale misunderstood centrally, but that another approach was considered the appropriate way to handle things. The police taking the heat for a centrally determined policy, if indeed that's what it was, seems unreasonable.

My approach has always been that those responsible are criminals and deserve to be found and punished. However, the over-riding priority had to be the safety of the victims and to stop as many further occurrences as possible. The way to do that doesn't necessarily involve just the police. Social workers, schools and community groups are just as important.

I would not have wanted to have been the ones trying to decide how to achieve the best outcome. You are bound to get mud slung at you from somewhere. Slinging mud is easy. Writing reports with the benefit of hindsight is useful to learn lessons and improve outcomes. Always getting things right the first time, impossible.

How many girls suffered because this policy continued for over twenty years? No defence of whoever took the decisions can ever mitegate the misery caused.

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 05 Sep 22 8.28am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

How many girls suffered because this policy continued for over twenty years? No defence of whoever took the decisions can ever mitegate the misery caused.

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Of course it canít.

What no-one knows is whether even more would have suffered had it not been adopted. I donít. People might think they know but itís unknowable. Some folk think they are experts at everything but until anyone actually has to weigh all the competing considerations they cannot be. With hindsight it looks unlikely but thatís all it is.

All that can be done is evaluate what we do know and try to do better.

People should be blamed if they fall to do their job. Not if they make decisions they honestly believe to be correct, but you disagree with..

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag The garden of England 05 Sep 22 9.52am Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

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Of course it canít.

What no-one knows is whether even more would have suffered had it not been adopted. I donít. People might think they know but itís unknowable. Some folk think they are experts at everything but until anyone actually has to weigh all the competing considerations they cannot be. With hindsight it looks unlikely but thatís all it is.

All that can be done is evaluate what we do know and try to do better.

People should be blamed if they fall to do their job. Not if they make decisions they honestly believe to be correct, but you disagree with..

How can a decision not to pursue said criminals because they are not white ever be correct. You then caveat with even if we disagree. Ffs girls were raped and everyone around was terrified to flag it up in case they got called racist. Apart from one individual who got laughed at by a very well to do talk show host; the posh boy knob head!

 

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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 05 Sep 22 10.24am Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

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Of course it canít.

What no-one knows is whether even more would have suffered had it not been adopted. I donít. People might think they know but itís unknowable. Some folk think they are experts at everything but until anyone actually has to weigh all the competing considerations they cannot be. With hindsight it looks unlikely but thatís all it is.

All that can be done is evaluate what we do know and try to do better.

People should be blamed if they fall to do their job. Not if they make decisions they honestly believe to be correct, but you disagree with..

It's not a question of me or anyone else disagreeing. The decisions taken were wrong and people lose their jobs for wrong decisions regardless of the sentiment behind them but this is not even so much about the decisions taken as the reasons they were taken.
And to repeat this situation carried on for twenty years; it had gone far beyond "wait and see".

 

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View croydon proud's Profile croydon proud Flag Any european country i fancy! 05 Sep 22 11.51am Send a Private Message to croydon proud Add croydon proud as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Yeah, from the sound of it you're one of them.

Your clarification is a distinction without a difference and was read clearly the first time.

So if you read said post-"How long does a yellow last MODS"?, why did you choose to reply if you aren"t a mod? I thought gosh, I didn"t realise stirls was a mod, but of course he isn"t! Just had to reply to a post not directed at him, then says he understood the post?

 

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View croydon proud's Profile croydon proud Flag Any european country i fancy! 05 Sep 22 11.54am Send a Private Message to croydon proud Add croydon proud as a friend

Originally posted by croydon proud

So if you read said post-"How long does a yellow last MODS"?, why did you choose to reply if you aren"t a mod? I thought gosh, I didn"t realise stirls was a mod, but of course he isn"t! Just had to reply to a post not directed at him, then says he understood the post?

Sorry, I missed the best bit, the reply of "why don"t you ask a mod"? In reply to- "how long does a yellow last MODS"?

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 05 Sep 22 12.47pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

How can a decision not to pursue said criminals because they are not white ever be correct. You then caveat with even if we disagree. Ffs girls were raped and everyone around was terrified to flag it up in case they got called racist. Apart from one individual who got laughed at by a very well to do talk show host; the posh boy knob head!

How on earth do you know that was the policy? Itís just your opinion of what the policy was.

 

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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 05 Sep 22 12.52pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

How on earth do you know that was the policy? Itís just your opinion of what the policy was.

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 05 Sep 22 12.54pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

It's not a question of me or anyone else disagreeing. The decisions taken were wrong and people lose their jobs for wrong decisions regardless of the sentiment behind them but this is not even so much about the decisions taken as the reasons they were taken.
And to repeat this situation carried on for twenty years; it had gone far beyond "wait and see".

You think they were wrong. So might I with the benefit of hindsight but then, again I donít know nearly as much as those with the actual responsibility did.

Itís always easy to be wise after the event and even easier to throw mud. Actually doing things at the time you need to make decisions with the information you have then is not so easy.

 

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View Jimenez's Profile Jimenez Flag SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 05 Sep 22 12.55pm Send a Private Message to Jimenez Add Jimenez as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

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Of course it canít.

What no-one knows is whether even more would have suffered had it not been adopted. I donít. People might think they know but itís unknowable. Some folk think they are experts at everything but until anyone actually has to weigh all the competing considerations they cannot be. With hindsight it looks unlikely but thatís all it is.

All that can be done is evaluate what we do know and try to do better.

People should be blamed if they fall to do their job. Not if they make decisions they honestly believe to be correct, but you disagree with..

*** Proper laugh out loud moment ***

 


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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 05 Sep 22 12.57pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by croydon proud

Sorry, I missed the best bit, the reply of "why don"t you ask a mod"? In reply to- "how long does a yellow last MODS"?

We all are well aware Croydon that you aren't that bright but even you should understand by now that a mod link appears below every post and within your profile a send message link is also available to contact a mod.

So if you were seriously trying to only communicate with mods the means was and is available to you.

 


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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 05 Sep 22 1.24pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

You think they were wrong. So might I with the benefit of hindsight but then, again I donít know nearly as much as those with the actual responsibility did.

Itís always easy to be wise after the event and even easier to throw mud. Actually doing things at the time you need to make decisions with the information you have then is not so easy.

And those with some of the responsibility have subsequently issued apologies. Once again this is not entirely about the decisions taken but the logic behind them.
Something to think about next time anything is summarily dismissed as a conspiracy theory.

 

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