Preliminary results from this vaccine in humans should be available sometime in June. Rhesus macaque monkeys share about 93% of the same DNA as humans, so they're a logical step prior to testing in humans.

Edited by BlueJay (16 May 2020 11.34pm)

If you really believe that us taking the precautions that we have is a "hysterical overreaction by psychopathic lockdown statists" then I really pity you!

It isn't. It's a very wise buying of time during which we learn, assess and prepare.

If blundering headlong into a dark space is your idea of the way to confront this crisis then, whilst Mr Trump might agree with you, I don't and nor, I suspect, do many others in the UK.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

The fact that the overall percentage who will die is not going to be that high is largely down to the fact that we have contained the spread and managed the risk. If we had just let it run it's course I think the consequences would have been very different. I might be wrong, but the fact that we did what we did suggests that those taking the decisions decided that the risk was too high.

So that the death rate has been managed, so far at least, is not an argument for suggesting the lockdown was a mistake. Which is what these people are suggesting.

I am not as close to what has happened in NY as you but looked at from here it seems that the local politicians have done a responsible job whilst being given little help and encouragement from the President, who seems entirely consumed by making sure this crisis doesn't impact his reelection prospects and hang everything else.

Everywhere has suffered from a lack of preparedness and the availability of PPE and ventilators. You can only do the best you can with what you have and mistakes will be made and lessons learned. By the wise anyway.

You won't find anything from me attacking the government over the care home situation for exactly the same applies here. We can all look back in time to analyse and learn lessons. Right now is not the time for political point-scoring. It's a time for coordinated action.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

EXACTLY you are not close to know what's going on, but still managed to have a dig at Trump in virtually the same sentence.
De Blasio has been an absolute disaster he is from the same left leaning pissing out of the window school of thought as London's Sadiq Khan.
In fairness Cuomo has been marginally better but not by much.
As for Trump NYS asked for Ventilators (they got them) a Hospital ship (they got it) & all supplied by the Federal Government. For the record the ship was barely used, nor the Javits Center or indeed most of the ventilators although Cuomo claimed they needed 30,000.
He then took credit for shipping them out too other states.
Sounds kinda like the sort of thing Trump would do?

Pro USA & Israel

People entering care homes from hospitals are automatically quarantined for 14 days.

There have been numerous cases of old people put back into care homes resulting in wider outbreaks. In some cases tests have subsequently come back positive after you've been sent back. In others they have been sent to homes without current outbreaks, subsequently causing one.

I think I recall you saying you work in this environment. I'm certainly not making a personal criticism, instead saying that the measures put in place or suggested were not adequate. This is evident by fact that Covid-19 is present in 35% + of care homes. There's more covid-19 in these environments than almost anywhere, because realistically social distancing isn't present. Quarantining is worthwhile, but it clearly hasn't been particularly successful and asymptomatic staff likely bring it into the environment too.

There is no getting away from the fact that old people in these environments are sitting ducks, and the perfect storm for getting wiped out. If anyone has an elderly relative in a home, they should be aware of the considerable dangers and do their best for their loved ones based on that. In cases when they're well enough not to be there and there's other options, I would not blame them for choosing them.

I understand that in some homes in France they have a rota type system where staff remain in the building for an extended period of time. That would cut the risks. I can't see it happening here though, so increased testing is probably as good as it gets.

Edited by BlueJay (17 May 2020 12.57am)