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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 18 Oct 20 12.17am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

It all sounds really promising. But only a long time can guarantee safety, and I agree that to some it might seem like a better option, but I still donít see that counting on a vaccine is the right view to have, and why is that? Itís because the media, led by the bbc and panorama especially virtually promised them it wouldíve been here last month. So now many have been hooked. And I got pulled in by the 2 becomes 8 becomes 64 bollox on Panorama. That would be true if everyone lived in an air hanger, but it isnít true, just like the vaccine claims.

And what really is the problem then? Well the whole narrative and hope and prayer got manipulated from nature and common sense of either immunity or the virus passing through the healthy and over the vulnerable because of the fear narrative, media and the reactions beginning with Ďmurderer, evil, no compassioní and all the usual bile, over to counting on a vaccine. Because of that we got the damage to businesses, jobs, livelihoods and no doubt more illnesses and deaths. Thatís whatís happened. The western liberal narrative fuelled by the media, especially BBC and Sky, and the people on the inside, decided this path and the economy ends up getting hammered because weíll furlough everyone and a vaccine will be here and in circulation in September. Sounds great. All under control. Thatís how it transpired. Manipulation. Writing this I can see how the Bill Gates vaccine conspirators get thinking this way. It begins to sound logical.

II said we shouldíve ended furlough earlier, in summer, when the virus wouldíve had a tougher job but possibly done its thing. But oh no, we couldnít, or wouldnít, and this is the situation we find ourselves in. These arguments. And why? Because our government are more concerned about what a load of stay at home liberal elites think than what is a coherent strategy. It was even at a time when shielders were still bl00dy shielding. But we end up arguing about shielding for probably longer vs more jobs and more ruin and other stuff. Otherwise the situation in the north wouldnít be a problem like itís being reported now. If it affected me Iíd be fuming, but it isnít so Iím not, although I suppose I am angry Iím watching our country fvck it all up for years. More years than ever before. Some of it permanently. I just donít want to hear moaning from people who lose jobs if they were in favour of the summer break and other things going on and on. And Iíll find out by asking questions theyíll end up contradicting themselves with.

plus why have they never been advising on vitamin D and other healthy foods and some fermented foods that could help over Covid? Why didnít they build confidence in the mindset the country should strive to make the most of it, including everyone apart from key workers, millions of whom never saw Covid get anywhere near them and went out to work everyday providing for everyone? The fear message was so strong & the promise of a vaccine seemed either so believable or needed so much it was always going to be hoped would solve it all.

 


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View Tim Gypsy Hill '64's Profile Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Flag Stoke sub normal 18 Oct 20 12.20am Send a Private Message to Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Add Tim Gypsy Hill '64 as a friend

Originally posted by BlueJay

It's a different drug, at a different time in a different situation. No matter how many times you're determined to highlight disabled children to win an argument, the fact of the matter is that, as stated, we're in a time sensitive situation. We know that those in certain groups are at no great risk. We know that those in some demographics are. Based on results of mass stage 3 studies it is by no means unreasonable to give people in those groups the option to have the vaccine, rather than your suggestion of waiting several years. It will be pointless in several years. I can't believe that saying something so blindingly obvious has to be endlessly explained again and again.

Are you seriously saying that, upon stage 3 results, you feel it should be withheld from those it would be most likely benefit greatly for multiple years even if they want it, its been safe during stuides and may well be a life saver? If yes, how nice of you to feel that you should have such control over others lives. If no, then there's no argument to be had in the first place

Edited by BlueJay (18 Oct 2020 12.14am)

And that's you in a nutshell. Close the debate. Which is what you have done. Now go talk to the fairies for all I care. You are a waste of effort.

 


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View BlueJay's Profile BlueJay Flag UK 18 Oct 20 12.23am Send a Private Message to BlueJay Add BlueJay as a friend

Originally posted by Tim Gypsy Hill '64

A vaccine is made available by mid november. Who will it be given to? Probably old and vulnerable people. Nice. They need it most. Nothing wrong with that. Get them all innoculated. Job done.

Ohhh, wait a moment, some younger people feel they need it too. Deny them? Well, we have tons of the stuff. If they want it, let them have it. Have a national vaccine programme. Why are these mothers having childbirth issues. Why are generally healthy young men dying from common colds? Why is everyone dying? World not so happy.

Just a thought.

We're going around in circles. As I said to Rudi we can't 'stop work on a vaccine' just because other groups might want access to it at some point. It will clearly be given to those most in need first which is logical and we can't not release something that could save millions of lives worldwide just because you've taken your analogy about Thalidomide and run with it.

This place has totally jumped the shark. You can't mention a mask, a vaccine, anything without some kind of ludicrous hysterical reaction, and at the same time some are convinced that we're going to be 'chipped' and that its some kind of NWO situation and that all drifts by unquestioned.

It's clearly reasonable, following mass stage 3 studies if successful, for certain groups to gain access to a vaccine that could make a real difference to their lives. It this is something that you want to lose your mind over that's fine by me, but I for one are hoping that the trials are a resounding success. Sorry about that.


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View BlueJay's Profile BlueJay Flag UK 18 Oct 20 12.24am Send a Private Message to BlueJay Add BlueJay as a friend

Originally posted by Tim Gypsy Hill '64

And that's you in a nutshell. Close the debate. Which is what you have done. Now go talk to the fairies for all I care. You are a waste of effort.

More hysteria, no I'm saying that if you don't even disagree with me about something then there is no argument to be had. Unless you're endlessly looking for pointless problems, which seems to be the case.

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View BlueJay's Profile BlueJay Flag UK 18 Oct 20 12.32am Send a Private Message to BlueJay Add BlueJay as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

It all sounds really promising. But only a long time can guarantee safety, and I agree that to some it might seem like a better option, but I still donít see that counting on a vaccine is the right view to have, and why is that? Itís because the media, led by the bbc and panorama especially virtually promised them it wouldíve been here last month. So now many have been hooked. And I got pulled in by the 2 becomes 8 becomes 64 bollox on Panorama. That would be true if everyone lived in an air hanger, but it isnít true, just like the vaccine claims.

I don't much care what the media thinks about anything. Stage 3 results for some vaccines will be out by early November. Just to clarify I've not ever said nor do I think that someone vulnerable or elderly should entirely lock themselves away on account that a vaccine isn't out yet. I've said that it's reasonable for them to hope for positive study outcomes (in a month or two) and to gain access to it, shortly after, as it may well make a marked difference to their lives. I've not said anything outlandish or indeed anything that isn't fairly likely to transpire. If stuff like this is cause for endless debate then again its a release valve rather than an argument.


 

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View BlueJay's Profile BlueJay Flag UK 18 Oct 20 12.36am Send a Private Message to BlueJay Add BlueJay as a friend

This is like some kind of 'comfort zone' for a type of one dimensional outlook. I pity the few people in here naively thinking that they can actually raise a point and get a fair hearing rather than a barrage if it's against the 'accepted view'. Well fair enough. I'll stick to the match day threads. Less hassle and less time wasted. Stay well one and all, I'm not one for the tragicomic.


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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 18 Oct 20 12.39am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

It isnít just vulnerable groups either. All summer weíve had people trying to get out of working, especially NEU leading the teachers. It isnít just people concerned about elderly and vulnerable. Theyíre concerned about themselves. I wonder when that will end or if the vaccine is their hope or not.

 


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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 18 Oct 20 12.46am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by BlueJay

I don't much care what the media thinks about anything. Stage 3 results for some vaccines will be out by early November. Just to clarify I've not ever said nor do I think that someone vulnerable or elderly should entirely lock themselves away on account that a vaccine isn't out yet. I've said that it's reasonable for them to hope for positive study outcomes (in a month or two) and to gain access to it, shortly after, as it may well make a marked difference to their lives. I've not said anything outlandish or indeed anything that isn't fairly likely to transpire. If stuff like this is cause for endless debate then again its a release valve rather than an argument.


Problem is the media have driven either the govt or the hopes of some of the people. ĎThe BBC say the vaccine is coming in September, in March, in June, in October 2021.í

Itís this that adds to preventing the virus playing out as viruses do, and by then we may not need a vaccine anyway. This is the point, not just the telling people to not get their hopes up.

 


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View Mapletree's Profile Mapletree Flag Croydon 18 Oct 20 12.57am Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by Tim Gypsy Hill '64

Questioning my numeracy skills. You do it to other posters too. And not just numeracy. It's a form of bullying. Behaving in a haughty, I know better than you manner. It really doesn't bother me as you clearly don't. I just think you should stop with the petty snipes. It's detracting from debate.

I didnít question them, I was quite clear. They arenít strong. No question

To bully you I would have to intend harm or upset. I donít. Couldnít give a monkeyís about you.

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag Chatham 18 Oct 20 6.56am Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

A vaccine isnt a cure.
It's purely a way by the use of genetic drugs to induce a low level of the virus/disease to stimulate a defensive response by the white blood cells in the body. Thalidomide wasnt a vaccine, it was a sedative drug created to help with morning sickness in pregnant women. These are two very different pieces of medication for two very different purposes. The issue is how the person reacts to being given the disease which can inadvertently turn nasty.
The difference between that and 'herd immunity' is it is a controlled viral load, which is being proven to be a big factor in how sick you get.

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 18 Oct 20 7.21am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

And talking of vaccines I can't even get a flu jab despite the government saying there is no shortage.

Now granted I am under 65 and not vulnerable but each year I am happy to pay for mine only this year I have been told by Boots, Superdrug and my local chemist the earliest I can get it is January. Why the shortage the government promised us that this wouldn't happen and yet it is worse this year then ever.

I expect the NHS to have priority but these are private companies why haven't they ordered enough somebody has screwed up.

At this rate I will be lucky to get the Covid vaccine this time next year.

 


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View Eden Eagle's Profile Eden Eagle Flag Kent 18 Oct 20 7.23am Send a Private Message to Eden Eagle Add Eden Eagle as a friend

Whilst we are discussing vaccines I am sure I have read somewhere that the Pharma companies working on the vaccines have been granted immunity from any comeback from side effects caused by the vaccine - cannot now find where I saw this so it might be a ďconspiracy theory ď..

Has anyone else seen this?

 

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