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View DanH's Profile DanH Flag SW2 09 Jun 21 8.50am Send a Private Message to DanH Add DanH as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

And what after your double jab? Which marxist medic will you be following orders from youíll think will make you so virtuous? Susan Michie?

Are you feeling OK?

 


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View DanH's Profile DanH Flag SW2 09 Jun 21 9.20am Send a Private Message to DanH Add DanH as a friend

Originally posted by Spiderman

I have said several times previously that the Govt made a big error in not closing the borders. Indeed, why did so many people feel the need to travel during a pandemic, selfishness for the most part IMO. Unbelievable how many adults had business in the Caribbean but felt the need to take their kids with them. Wife just finished a night shift, passengers coming back think they are the ones being hard done by! Including some who have been in Spain/Portugal all winter.
Donít get me started on those that have flown to sub-continent to visit relatives.

Couldn't agree more. Mentioned it before that this pandemic has shown just how selfish people can be, even with minor inconveniences such as mask wearing. As unpopular as it would have been Johnson needed to make tougher decisions earlier, especially over the borders, as it was clear that people would still travel if they still could. Not wanting to make unpopular decisions isn't leadership; it's the complete opposite.

 


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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 09 Jun 21 9.35am Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by DanH

Inevitable until we get everyone double jabbed up. Disgraceful weíve let the Indian variant let rip after not learning lessons about borders and quarantine all over again.

It seems reasonable, but of course if you are just reacting you can't do it until the variant is detected, by which time it's too late.
I would have closed all borders right at the outset as a pre emptive measure. In that case, I'm sure the Left would have been moaning about that too.

It is also significant that a large proportion of people hospitalized have not even had one jab. These people are a big part of the problem right now. Those with minor symptoms won't end up in hospital but they will spread the virus.

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 09 Jun 21 9.41am Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by silvertop

I wasn't taking talking about illegal Immigrants.

Good. Don't mention them.

I mentioned them once, but I think I got away with it.

 

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View DanH's Profile DanH Flag SW2 09 Jun 21 9.53am Send a Private Message to DanH Add DanH as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

It seems reasonable, but of course if you are just reacting you can't do it until the variant is detected, by which time it's too late.
I would have closed all borders right at the outset as a pre emptive measure. In that case, I'm sure the Left would have been moaning about that too.

It is also significant that a large proportion of people hospitalized have not even had one jab. These people are a big part of the problem right now. Those with minor symptoms won't end up in hospital but they will spread the virus.

Agreed. You wouldn't have had any moaning from me.

 


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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 09 Jun 21 10.08am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

I suspect 'Freedom Day' will NOT be 21st June.All the messages seem to suggest an extension to 2 weeks or even a month.

We have pivoted from expecting the country to reopen once the elderly and vulnerable were protected, to waiting for all the over-50s to be double-jabbed. Probably children will be not far behind.

The darned goalposts have been moved as politicians are in thrall to doom-laden 'Experts' who would have us locked down for months on end.We are on a slippery slope.The vaccine roll-out has been a huge success and continues at a pace,vaccines are working yet we still want restrictions to continue.Any delay is yet another death-knell for businesses.

Edited by Willo (09 Jun 2021 10.11am)

 

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View DanH's Profile DanH Flag SW2 09 Jun 21 10.22am Send a Private Message to DanH Add DanH as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

I suspect 'Freedom Day' will NOT be 21st June.All the messages seem to suggest an extension to 2 weeks or even a month.

We have pivoted from expecting the country to reopen once the elderly and vulnerable were protected, to waiting for all the over-50s to be double-jabbed. Probably children will be not far behind.

The darned goalposts have been moved as politicians are in thrall to doom-laden 'Experts' who would have us locked down for months on end.We are on a slippery slope.The vaccine roll-out has been a huge success and continues at a pace,vaccines are working yet we still want restrictions to continue.Any delay is yet another death-knell for businesses.

Edited by Willo (09 Jun 2021 10.11am)

The darned goalposts will be moved because we allowed the Indian variant to take hold here. We were doing really well finally up until that point.

 


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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 09 Jun 21 10.25am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by DanH

Are you feeling OK?

Fine. Iím getting plenty of oxygen as I now donít wear a mask unless itís to get through the door of somewhere (mainly the supermarket) and never would outdoors, or in the car, and the pubs and restaurants Iíve been in either nobody wears them or I chuckle at the strange souls wearing them walking to the toilet in a pub. Itís getting more hilarious how the fear stricken people in England cling onto their security blanket masks sticking to what the hypocrites in government tell them. Enough now. The wet flannels have had their 15 month fix. More and more people will ignore this guff from 21st June whatever the decision is, and I see you donít mind more of this.

 


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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 09 Jun 21 10.28am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

It seems reasonable, but of course if you are just reacting you can't do it until the variant is detected, by which time it's too late.
I would have closed all borders right at the outset as a pre emptive measure. In that case, I'm sure the Left would have been moaning about that too.

It is also significant that a large proportion of people hospitalized have not even had one jab. These people are a big part of the problem right now. Those with minor symptoms won't end up in hospital but they will spread the virus.

Precisely. Itís becoming even more of a joke than it already was. Oh well, there are some pubs and restaurants ignoring this rubbish and operating as normal.

 


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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 09 Jun 21 10.30am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by DanH


The darned goalposts will be moved because we allowed the Indian variant to take hold here. We were doing really well finally up until that point.

The variant went from a variant "Under investigation" to a variant of "Concern".
People were still expected to take tests and quarantine whilst the variant was "Under investigation".

The Public Enquiry will be wide-ranging,covering a raft of matters and I am not going to pre-judge its findings.

 

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View SW19 CPFC's Profile SW19 CPFC Flag Addiscombe West 09 Jun 21 2.11pm Send a Private Message to SW19 CPFC Add SW19 CPFC as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

The variant went from a variant "Under investigation" to a variant of "Concern".
People were still expected to take tests and quarantine whilst the variant was "Under investigation".

The Public Enquiry will be wide-ranging,covering a raft of matters and I am not going to pre-judge its findings.

People need to leave the cynicism, emotive arguments and general hearsay at the door, really.

If hospital admissions and therefore capacity flatlines in the next couple of weeks, 21 June or slightly after it will all be fine.

If they don't, then it would be moronic to add to that by rolling everything back. Capacity will rapidly be filled and problems will mount.

Anyone who says 'do it anyway', 'think of the businesses' etc. etc. if the result is hospitals filling up again at the expense of other and more importantly, non-COVID critical care/operations is an idiot. There is literally no sensible reason why they'd do that IF the admissions/capacity rates keep rising and rising.

Of course, I'd love to hear a sensible counterargument to that, other than 'because business' / 'because had enough' yada yada yada

Wait and see how the younger demographics react, then make a call. I'd assume there will be less critical care scenarios but nobody knows just yet. Does less mean less 'standard' beds filled? Or more? Or the same?

Perfectly acceptable and logical approach.

 


said the rabid giraffe whilst brandishing his throbbing member of reason, and twas ever thus.

Did you know? 95% of people are morons.

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View The Dolphin's Profile The Dolphin Flag 09 Jun 21 5.05pm Send a Private Message to The Dolphin Add The Dolphin as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

True that

What's your view on giving advance notice of Portugal going onto the amber list, or naughty step as I like to call it.

The UK is on Germany's naughty step by the way.

whilst generally a supporter of the Government I think that the travel rules this time have been a disaster.
Everything should have been a no go until we could relax properly - none of the traffic light system - really poor.
The Indian variant is a disaster and all parties are to blame but if the Government gave them the chance to come home then you just knew they were going to break the rules when they got back and now here we are!
Cases, admissions and possibly soon deaths will all be from Bradford, Bolton and so on up north, Leicester in the Midlands and West London/Middlesex down here - it is just a joke!

 

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