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Originally posted by Maggot


You seem to think that we aren't facing a climate crisis unless millions of people are killed by it.

As pointed out elsewhere advances in technology and healthcare mean that fortunately the death tolls are now lower.

Can you please provide evidence for your claims about arctic ice increasing. The amount of snowfall is irrelevant.

I refer again to my temperature graph as you ignored it previously.

Edited by Maggot (10 Mar 2020 8.46pm)

I read about the arctic ice. Where did you get your info?

 

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Originally posted by SavoyTruffle

The only reason this exists as any type of debate topic is because the wealthiest industry in human history has spent billions of dollars to spread disinformation in the hope of maintaining their profits.

Oil and gas companies such as ExxonMobil were tracking the effects of CO2 in the atmosphere and climate modelling as early as 1970s and on repeated occasion their own research was showing the damage their industry was having.

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You can read about it above. They then spent insane amounts of money on lobbying politicians and the media to lie and block climate legislation.

If you deny the effects of climate change you are simply doing the bidding of the fossil fuel industry, only difference is you the sucker not getting paid like the politicians and talking heads on TV.


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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 11 Mar 20 7.12am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by SavoyTruffle

The only reason this exists as any type of debate topic is because the wealthiest industry in human history has spent billions of dollars to spread disinformation in the hope of maintaining their profits.

Oil and gas companies such as ExxonMobil were tracking the effects of CO2 in the atmosphere and climate modelling as early as 1970s and on repeated occasion their own research was showing the damage their industry was having.

[Link]

You can read about it above. They then spent insane amounts of money on lobbying politicians and the media to lie and block climate legislation.

If you deny the effects of climate change you are simply doing the bidding of the fossil fuel industry, only difference is you the sucker not getting paid like the politicians and talking heads on TV.

There are lots of lobbies lobbying politicians and spending money to influence. I have little doubt that you would approve of some of them as you disapprove of others. So while, I'd agree that the power of lobbyists is a disfigurement of the democratic process.....I'm not exactly sure what should be done about it.....as interest groups themselves exist to enact change or the maintenance of what motivates them.

So your lobbyist point kind of gets an acknowledgement from me but also a shrug.

Moving onto your ExxonMobil points....you seem to think that everyone who reads your post is going to agree with you that oil and fossil fuel multinationals are inherently bad for us. While I'd probably agree that these companies are no different to most self interested capitalists I'd also make the point that oil and fossil fuels are essential for modern life.

If these companies didn't exist modern civilisations around the globe would collapse from their current lifestyle levels and mass starvation would exist on a national level in many locations.

In truth this is the outcome of warm worded policies pushed by the 'Greta lobby' and ExR in action and most of us are obviously opposed to it.

While I'd agree that climate change is a reality I also regard the claims made by its 'Greta' activists are mostly extreme and based upon fear mongering.

That said, the climate change from emissions is obviously going to worsen as countries continue to develop globally and the world population increases (though as stated this population increase isn't from Europeans themselves). So anyone (and I'm not saying you) serious about this issue is kidding themselves to think that using multicolored bins and less plastic carry bags makes even the slightest difference.

Indeed, it often makes me smile that those who support the 'Greta' lobby also support mass immigration into Europe.....Without seeming to realise or accept the obvious result that increasing the population in Europe will more quickly increases emissions due to the higher lifestyle.

I wonder why they would hold two such contradictory desires in their heads? I summise that for some of them it'll be because they just don't examine the ideas much...for others, it'll be because their environmentalism is just part of a wider agenda.


Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Mar 2020 7.26am)

 

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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

There are lots of lobbies lobbying politicians and spending money to influence. I have little doubt that you would approve of some of them as you disapprove of others. So while, I'd agree that the power of lobbyists is a disfigurement of the democratic process.....I'm not exactly sure what should be done about it.....as interest groups themselves exist to enact change or the maintenance of what motivates them.

So your lobbyist point kind of gets an acknowledgement from me but also a shrug.

Moving onto your ExxonMobil points....you seem to think that everyone who reads your post is going to agree with you that oil and fossil fuel multinationals are inherently bad for us. While I'd probably agree that these companies are no different to most self interested capitalists I'd also make the point that oil and fossil fuels are essential for modern life.

If these companies didn't exist modern civilisations around the globe would collapse from their current lifestyle levels and mass starvation would exist on a national level in many locations.

In truth this is the outcome of warm worded policies pushed by the 'Greta lobby' and ExR in action and most of us are obviously opposed to it.

While I'd agree that climate change is a reality I also regard the claims made by its 'Greta' activists are mostly extreme and based upon fear mongering.

That said, the climate change from emissions is obviously going to worsen as countries continue to develop globally and the world population increases (though as stated this population increase isn't from Europeans themselves). So anyone (and I'm not saying you) serious about this issue is kidding themselves to think that using multicolored bins and less plastic carry bags makes even the slightest difference.

Indeed, it often makes me smile that those who support the 'Greta' lobby also support mass immigration into Europe.....Without seeming to realise or accept the obvious result that increasing the population in Europe will more quickly increases emissions due to the higher lifestyle.

I wonder why they would hold two such contradictory desires in their heads? I summise that for some of them it'll be because they just don't examine the ideas much...for others, it'll be because their environmentalism is just part of a wider agenda.

Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Mar 2020 7.26am)

Those that support Greta often have 2 cars and enjoy holidays in Tuscany (until recently). I had this debate with my lefty middle class friends they are all pro Greta and yet their green credentials don't stand up to examination.

We are actually not that far apart in our thinking none of us want to give up our lifestyle but that doesn't mean you can't use common-sense.

I guess the difference is that I recognise that I have a lifestyle that consumes energy and I am not prepared to wear the hair shirt whilst they are virtue signalling hypocrites.

In Europe technology will largely solve this issue over time without us having to revert to a horse and cart. As Stirlingsay we are not the problem it is the rest of the world and how they react that will make the difference.

 


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Originally posted by Badger11

Those that support Greta often have 2 cars and enjoy holidays in Tuscany (until recently). I had this debate with my lefty middle class friends they are all pro Greta and yet their green credentials don't stand up to examination.

We are actually not that far apart in our thinking none of us want to give up our lifestyle but that doesn't mean you can't use common-sense.

I guess the difference is that I recognise that I have a lifestyle that consumes energy and I am not prepared to wear the hair shirt whilst they are virtue signalling hypocrites.

In Europe technology will largely solve this issue over time without us having to revert to a horse and cart. As Stirlingsay we are not the problem it is the rest of the world and how they react that will make the difference.

Yep, it's technology or bust and always has been.

The environmentaal activists always think they can point to this or that entity as the point of the problem.....yet as always if you exist you are consuming energy and I bet most of them are hypocritical when it comes to their activism or convenience....whether it's tucking into that meat product or traveling by car it's all convenience.....And all of which require the oil and fossil fuel industry.

Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Mar 2020 8.39am)

 

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Bristol has just been announced as the greenest city in Britain.
So why was it that Greta and her rent-a-mob deemed it necessary to spend a day completely shutting down the city centre, and causing thousands of pounds of damage to the grass at the council house, to thank us?

 


Hey, where did we go days when the rain came?

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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Yep, it's technology or bust and always has been.

The environmentaal activists always think they can point to this or that entity as the point of the problem.....yet as always if you exist you are consuming energy and I bet most of them are hypocritical when it comes to their activism or convenience....whether it's tucking into that meat product or traveling by car it's all convenience.....And all of which require the oil and fossil fuel industry.

Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Mar 2020 8.39am)

Technology is not the answer. Reduce the population massively (as unPC as it sounds) will be the major step. Mother Earth canít cope. We have bred and spread like a cancer raping and pillaging ever depleting resources. The iron, precious metals, oil, flora and fauna are not able to be replaced and we are running out fast. The outfall goes into our climate and oceans by way of pollution exasperating the problem. Itís a downward circle. Those that canít see the link really do need to join the flat earth society.

 

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Originally posted by BarEagle

Technology is not the answer. Reduce the population massively (as unPC as it sounds) will be the major step. Mother Earth canít cope. We have bred and spread like a cancer raping and pillaging ever depleting resources. The iron, precious metals, oil, flora and fauna are not able to be replaced and we are running out fast. The outfall goes into our climate and oceans by way of pollution exasperating the problem. Itís a downward circle. Those that canít see the link really do need to join the flat earth society.

I have some sympathy with your viewpoint however I don't in seriousness see world leaders taking the sterilization route.....So that's why I say it's technology or bust.

I'd also say that the earth will be fine regardless of whether humans are fecking up the environment or not.

 

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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I have some sympathy with your viewpoint however I don't in seriousness see world leaders taking the sterilization route.....So that's why I say it's technology or bust.

I'd also say that the earth will be fine regardless of whether humans are fecking up the environment or not.

Wash your mouth out you....
Denier you.
Should be arrested for not agreeing with him.

 

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Originally posted by cryrst

Wash your mouth out you....
Denier you.
Should be arrested for not agreeing with him.

Washing our months out will no doubt be on the list of future health requirements for whatever s***ty aliment comes down the pipe next.

 

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pakistan and India are very unfriendly nuclear neighbours.

 


Red and Blue Army!

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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I have some sympathy with your viewpoint however I don't in seriousness see world leaders taking the sterilization route.....So that's why I say it's technology or bust.

I'd also say that the earth will be fine regardless of whether humans are fecking up the environment or not.

Parts of the earth probably wonít be fine.

 


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