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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Online Flag Chatham 16 May 20 9.34am Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by DanH

They donít do it for the money. They do it for the power and their ego. A handful do it because they want to serve the public.

I'm not buying that danh. All colours do it because they want to try to impliment their ideas to make it better for us. Whether we agree or not we get the choice at the polling station.

 

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View YT's Profile YT Flag Oxford 16 May 20 9.45am Send a Private Message to YT Add YT as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

You cant benchmark success when the public are your accountability. There is always one idiot.

And I would add that the majority didn't vote for you, therefore the majority will always have an axe to grind on you. As is being admirably demonstrated during the current crisis.

"What did you do in The Great (coronavirus) War, Daddy?"

"Well, son, I stayed at home receiving 80% of my pay for doing nothing and I moaned constantly about those who were trying to do something about it, regardless of the fact that if I'd had to deal with it, I probably would have sh!t myself under the pressure of such responsibility."

Not the snappiest poster, I grant you!

 


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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Online Flag Chatham 16 May 20 9.49am Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by YT

And I would add that the majority didn't vote for you, therefore the majority will always have an axe to grind on you. As is being admirably demonstrated during the current crisis.

"What did you do in The Great (coronavirus) War, Daddy?"

"Well, son, I stayed at home receiving 80% of my pay for doing nothing and I moaned constantly about those who were trying to do something about it, regardless of the fact that if I'd had to deal with it, I probably would have sh!t myself under the pressure of such responsibility."

Not the snappiest poster, I grant you!

Good post

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 16 May 20 10.40am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

You cant benchmark success when the public are your accountability. There is always one idiot.

That is why in the examples I gave there was nothing political. Of course people who didn't vote for an MP will always moan but there are certain areas such as how much time an MP spends doing constituency business.

George Osbourne was about to be cited by the Labour Party before he resigned as apparently he had not been seen in his constituency in 1 year. Gorgeous George was far too busy with all the other jobs he had outside of Parliament.

All I am asking for is a basic job description. Just because an MP spends the allotted time doing constituency work it doesn't mean he is any good but it's a start.

Currently if an MP goofs off it is next to impossible to sanction him, who knows if Osbourne would have been sanctioned that is simpley not acceptable in this day and age. After all MPs are dead keen on on league tables for everybody else.

 


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View Wilesy01's Profile Wilesy01 Flag Bristol 16 May 20 10.50am Send a Private Message to Wilesy01 Add Wilesy01 as a friend

Originally posted by YT

And I would add that the majority didn't vote for you, therefore the majority will always have an axe to grind on you. As is being admirably demonstrated during the current crisis.

"What did you do in The Great (coronavirus) War, Daddy?"

"Well, son, I stayed at home receiving 80% of my pay for doing nothing and I moaned constantly about those who were trying to do something about it, regardless of the fact that if I'd had to deal with it, I probably would have sh!t myself under the pressure of such responsibility."

Not the snappiest poster, I grant you!

Genuinely interested as to where you think the government's response to this crisis has gone well. Not to mention the lies the government has also started to peddle regarding deaths in care homes.

Why can't people question the above? Surely thats forcing accountability.

 

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View the.universal's Profile the.universal 16 May 20 11.25am Send a Private Message to the.universal Add the.universal as a friend

Originally posted by Wilesy01

Genuinely interested as to where you think the government's response to this crisis has gone well. Not to mention the lies the government has also started to peddle regarding deaths in care homes.

Why can't people question the above? Surely thats forcing accountability.

If youíre looking for positives Iíd say 1 death toll is decreasing based on actions taken by the government. 2 nhs capacity has been increased to unprecedented levels ie the nhs has not been overwhelmed 3. People are supported by a never before seen £300bn package.

Of course, things couldíve been better managed but so far Iíd say the government have got more right than wrong. What do you think?

 


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View Eaglecoops's Profile Eaglecoops Flag CR3 16 May 20 11.32am Send a Private Message to Eaglecoops Add Eaglecoops as a friend

Originally posted by Wilesy01

Genuinely interested as to where you think the government's response to this crisis has gone well. Not to mention the lies the government has also started to peddle regarding deaths in care homes.

Why can't people question the above? Surely thats forcing accountability.

This is a very easy thing to say. However, the government have been led by a group of experts and they have dealt with it in the way that they thought best. The problem with continual requests for accountability is that it makes the assumption that when things haven't gone well then they must have been done on purpose. Well that clearly isn't the case.

Find me an expert on pandemics who knows exactly how to balance the economy and the mental health of the people and the safety of the population then maybe we might have got this bang on right from the start, but I would say that person doesn't exist. The blame culture in this country is getting worse and worse. Stop blaming others unless you have a better alternative yourself. (I don't mean this personally by the way).

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Online Flag Chatham 16 May 20 11.42am Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Wilesy01

Genuinely interested as to where you think the government's response to this crisis has gone well. Not to mention the lies the government has also started to peddle regarding deaths in care homes.

Why can't people question the above? Surely thats forcing accountability.

What lies about care homes. Starmer quoted half of a letter without including the earlier date of the advice. Is this what you are referring to?
I put a link earlier in the post. Have a watch of it then come to your conclusion. Labour are not exactly doing well in Wales where they have total autonomy so if that was transferred to england we would be totally fecked. Political point scoring works both ways.

 

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View Wilesy01's Profile Wilesy01 Flag Bristol 16 May 20 3.18pm Send a Private Message to Wilesy01 Add Wilesy01 as a friend

Seems as though there are a few objections to my earlier post about the failure of the governments response to this pandemic.

I'll willingly concede I think the Chancellor has a got a lot more right than he has wrong in the current climate, but I'm baffled at the stance that the PM is doing the best with a bad hand. He's compounded the problem by listening to a select group of scientists on the herd immunity approach, and refused to budge on this positon before it was too late and now we've ended up with a particularly high death toll because of it. This, I believe was published in the Times some weeks ago.

As for care homes if anyone wants to correct me on when the government's advice changed regarding local transmission I'm all ears.

This isn't about "blame culture" it's about accountability in a severe situation. I'd like to know why things have got as bad as they have in the UK compared with other European nations such as Germany. Hopefully a public enquiry will bring this to light.

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Online Flag Chatham 16 May 20 4.16pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Wilesy01

Seems as though there are a few objections to my earlier post about the failure of the governments response to this pandemic.

I'll willingly concede I think the Chancellor has a got a lot more right than he has wrong in the current climate, but I'm baffled at the stance that the PM is doing the best with a bad hand. He's compounded the problem by listening to a select group of scientists on the herd immunity approach, and refused to budge on this positon before it was too late and now we've ended up with a particularly high death toll because of it. This, I believe was published in the Times some weeks ago.

As for care homes if anyone wants to correct me on when the government's advice changed regarding local transmission I'm all ears.

This isn't about "blame culture" it's about accountability in a severe situation. I'd like to know why things have got as bad as they have in the UK compared with other European nations such as Germany. Hopefully a public enquiry will bring this to light.

Care homes are private for a start. I have sympathy for all the dead and poorly but these places charge a fortune and couldnt get their own reserves of PPE. They must have pandemic procedures and all are saying they knew better but still early doors followed the government advice. A bit like after the horse has bolted and let's find a scapegoat for our cock up. Our death toll is high but bearing in mind we are reporting every death where C19 is mentioned on the death cert,even without a test I'm not surprised. Germany are only reporting hospital deaths on tested people. Do you actually beleive that their deaths are 5 times less than ours. Have they got different ventilators or better doctors?
No they havent at all and italy have underreported big style along with spain and others.
You are trying to blame the government and there may be merit in that but we are a long way from the end of this so judging rights and wrongs atm could leave egg on your face come the final SP. I doubt a public enquiry will happen any time soon if ever. It would serve no purpose now or in the future. All it would do is give people even more of a chance to hammer the government. There are lots of secondary repercussions on the back of this and I for one would prefer that time was spent dealing with those than going over something that no one on the planet had any idea how to deal with initially and potentially still dont, bug wise anyway.

 

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View HKOwen's Profile HKOwen Flag Hong Kong 17 May 20 3.16am Send a Private Message to HKOwen Add HKOwen as a friend

Good post.

Private care homes are run as money making machines.

For any owner to now jump on the PPE bandwagon as if they were an NHS facility is really really annoying.

 


Let's see SP and the board trying to line up for a piss in the AW toilets at half time before peddling the new stand. We're the Arthur over here and the facilities are a disgrace

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View Pete53's Profile Pete53 Flag Hassocks 18 May 20 4.33pm Send a Private Message to Pete53 Add Pete53 as a friend

It does seem to me that the old constitutional convention of individual ministerial responsibility
( and of course accountability) has been eroded over the years.

Once upon a time it didn't take a lot for a minister to feel obliged to resign if there was any question mark over their honesty, or apparent culpability for a poor decision on an important issue. It was almost a case of assumed guilty until proved innocent.

These days ministers seem to wriggle and squirm their way out of difficult situations and hang on until the PM decides they have become a liability and tells them their time is up.

This is not a good thing as the old deterrent of losing your post if you were caught being deceitful (lying)or just being downright incompetent, did, I think, encourage greater integrity.

 

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